AV - How can it be fairer...

[R1Geezer]

When you can come anywhere but last and still win?

[R1Geezer]

yes but answer the question pl0nker!

[Mampara]

Someone told me that under AV it was possible for a candidate to receive no first preferences but still be elected. Is that true?
If yes then it's a crazy system where the least popular candidate triumphs.

[Sqad]

LOL....when I was a kid, there was always an event in the sporting cycling event called "Devil take the hindmost" I don't know if it still exist, but the cyclists cycled around and at the end of every lap, the last one dropped out. This continued until there was only one left and that was the winner.

Even at that age, I wondered why they all didn't cycle around over a given distance and the first past the post was the winner.

Seems that we want to go back to "Devil take the hindmost"

[R1Geezer]

yes it is true, if there are 6 candidates the one in 5th place can still win. How's that for democracy eh, still, pratts like fezzy love it because the Tory's don't, na na nana na!

[boxtops]

Yes it is, mampara - if nobody gets more than 50% of the first vote, the votes for the lesser candidates are taken into account and moved over until someone emerges the winner.

[Mampara]

Thanks boxtop.
So someone with ZERO votes (ist pref) emerges as a 'winner'.

Bonkers!

[jon1968]

AV always reminded of this…. (starting at 7:00 - 8:30)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp-G-GeZS00

Dennis “..everybody gets what nobody wants?”

Barry “that’s democracy, Dennis”

[R1Geezer]

well fezzy it's very simple question really. Is it fair that if you come anywhere but last you can still win? geddit? that is what we call a question it actually asks something! see?

[Gromit]

And a candidate being elected when the majority of people didn't vote for them is any better?

[starone]

I've voted NO already (postal vote) and I don't mind who knows it. The last time I voted YES it was to go into Europe and look what a mess that is in. I had fancy ideas of a collection of states banded together for the common good. What a hope- pie in the sky! I have regretted it ever since but too late to back out. With regard to this time though I would not like to see the last past the post being the winning candidate for one thing and another is we cannot afford it - it would cost too much. As we are on the brink of bankruptcy already why make it more certain?

[Sqad]

Starby.....I agree entirely, but the bottom line here seems to be:

Do we understand it and do we really care?" and the answer to both in my opinion is in the negative to both.

[Mampara]

Gromit

What about my point that we could got an MP who NOBODY voted for as their PREFFERED candidate?

[sprayermick]

Seems to me that under AV it can turn out to be that EVERYBODY gets what NOBODY wants

[Sqad]

Mampara....wouldn't a candidate who nobody voted for, go out in the first round?