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http://www.dailymail....ose-gay-marriage.html
It's official /// More than half believe homosexual marriages should not be allowed and two thirds think the adoption of children by same-sex couples should not have become legal nine years ago.///
/// the ONS findings show many Britons still cling to conservative values ///
Er, excuse me but "clinging to conservative values" ?????
Don't they term it as being 'Homophobic on Answerbank?
It's official /// More than half believe homosexual marriages should not be allowed and two thirds think the adoption of children by same-sex couples should not have become legal nine years ago.///
/// the ONS findings show many Britons still cling to conservative values ///
Er, excuse me but "clinging to conservative values" ?????
Don't they term it as being 'Homophobic on Answerbank?
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I'd like to know the number of people surveyed, type of people surveyed and where surveyed before I could pay any credence to the ONS findings.
Major Pilkington-Smyth (Rtd) in Tunbridge Wells will have a different opinion to Joe Bloggs in Bromley.
Personally, I'd be surprised if the majority of people aren't in the same camp as me - my opinion is I couldn't possibly care any less if I tried.
Like Hopkirk, I too don't want to see two men snogging in the street - but then I don't want to see a man and a woman snogging in the street either for that matter (quite happy to see two women snogging in the street, but only if they are the type of lesbians I occasionally see in 'special' films where they are gorgeous and will often order a pizza......)
Major Pilkington-Smyth (Rtd) in Tunbridge Wells will have a different opinion to Joe Bloggs in Bromley.
Personally, I'd be surprised if the majority of people aren't in the same camp as me - my opinion is I couldn't possibly care any less if I tried.
Like Hopkirk, I too don't want to see two men snogging in the street - but then I don't want to see a man and a woman snogging in the street either for that matter (quite happy to see two women snogging in the street, but only if they are the type of lesbians I occasionally see in 'special' films where they are gorgeous and will often order a pizza......)
"This news goes to highlight the fact, that it would appear that some ABers do not represent the majority of the nation's feelings on the subject."
and amen to that!
But no-one has suggested that the AB is representative of the population.
To be an AB'er, by definition you have to have access to a computer with a web connection, be signed up to the AB, be bothered to post on a thread about homosexuality.
How on earth is that 'representative' of anything or anyone?
Which is fine - as long as you equally accept that to be part of the 'Majority Against Homosexual Marriages', you have to have been polled, have given an honest answer, and care enough to give a flying fluff either way.
And that's not 'representative' either.
Next week, a poll concludes that most people believe the earth is flat ... but that doesn;t make it so does it?
and amen to that!
But no-one has suggested that the AB is representative of the population.
To be an AB'er, by definition you have to have access to a computer with a web connection, be signed up to the AB, be bothered to post on a thread about homosexuality.
How on earth is that 'representative' of anything or anyone?
Which is fine - as long as you equally accept that to be part of the 'Majority Against Homosexual Marriages', you have to have been polled, have given an honest answer, and care enough to give a flying fluff either way.
And that's not 'representative' either.
Next week, a poll concludes that most people believe the earth is flat ... but that doesn;t make it so does it?
The actual statement people were asked if they agreed with was;
"homosexual marriages should be allowed throughout Europe",
44% said yes, 49% no, the rest probably said donn't know.
its also about 5 years old.
http://eortrial.co.uk/default.aspx?id=1013764
as opposed to this one, which didn't produce the answers the dm required:
http://www.populuslim...tain-poll-100609.html
"homosexual marriages should be allowed throughout Europe",
44% said yes, 49% no, the rest probably said donn't know.
its also about 5 years old.
http://eortrial.co.uk/default.aspx?id=1013764
as opposed to this one, which didn't produce the answers the dm required:
http://www.populuslim...tain-poll-100609.html
<<I'd like to know the number of people surveyed, type of people surveyed and where surveyed before I could pay any credence to the ONS findings. >>
Those are perfectly good questions to ask.
Obviously, for a study to be valid the sample would be selected against a national profile for geography, socio demographics, age, gender etc
Demographic can be derived from questions about occupation or income but largely now taken from systems like Mosaic which are built on postcode/property type data.
Those are perfectly good questions to ask.
Obviously, for a study to be valid the sample would be selected against a national profile for geography, socio demographics, age, gender etc
Demographic can be derived from questions about occupation or income but largely now taken from systems like Mosaic which are built on postcode/property type data.
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In reading Ankou's link, they are face to face interviews, apparently, Zeuhl...
"Conducted between September and October 2006, the survey comprises 29,152 face-to-face interviews. Covering the 25 member states, the two acceding countries (Bulgaria and Romania), the two candidate countries (Croatia and Turkey) and the Turkish Cypriot community, the survey reflects the public opinion of Europeans just prior to the accession of Bulgaria and Romania. "
And some of those countries are obviously going to be more intolerant of 'all' issues surrounding any 'positive' advancement of homosexual issues.
"Conducted between September and October 2006, the survey comprises 29,152 face-to-face interviews. Covering the 25 member states, the two acceding countries (Bulgaria and Romania), the two candidate countries (Croatia and Turkey) and the Turkish Cypriot community, the survey reflects the public opinion of Europeans just prior to the accession of Bulgaria and Romania. "
And some of those countries are obviously going to be more intolerant of 'all' issues surrounding any 'positive' advancement of homosexual issues.
What we are dealing with here is the manipulation of statistics to fit a point of view - in this case, the Mail's for its readership.
It's pointless trying to use this type of survey to back up a rational argument,(or indeed an irrational argument!) because one side will use the (flawed) statistics to back up their point of view, and the other side will simply dismiss the statistics as flased, and not at all representative, as the survey claims.
So - to sum up - AOG remains convinced that homosexual marriages are unpopular with more than half the population,
and the majority of the AB posters who were interested in getting involved in the debate couldn't care less what the survey said - they still believe that bigoted and narrow-minded views are out of step in a caring democracy.
It's pointless trying to use this type of survey to back up a rational argument,(or indeed an irrational argument!) because one side will use the (flawed) statistics to back up their point of view, and the other side will simply dismiss the statistics as flased, and not at all representative, as the survey claims.
So - to sum up - AOG remains convinced that homosexual marriages are unpopular with more than half the population,
and the majority of the AB posters who were interested in getting involved in the debate couldn't care less what the survey said - they still believe that bigoted and narrow-minded views are out of step in a caring democracy.
Zeuhl
/// for a study to be valid the sample would be selected against a national profile for geography, socio demographics, age, gender etc ///
Oh so in every majority vote one must first ask where about it took place, what social status one holds,one's age and gender etc?
I bet that causes some fun at the thousands of venues where votes take place across the country in pubs, clubs, on various committees etc, etc.
/// for a study to be valid the sample would be selected against a national profile for geography, socio demographics, age, gender etc ///
Oh so in every majority vote one must first ask where about it took place, what social status one holds,one's age and gender etc?
I bet that causes some fun at the thousands of venues where votes take place across the country in pubs, clubs, on various committees etc, etc.
<<Oh so in every majority vote one must first ask where about it took place, what social status one holds,one's age and gender etc? >>
This is research - not a vote
It's not making a choice - it is intended to represent the attitudes and opinions of the population based on interviews with just a sample of them - the validity of that representation relies on getting the right sample - hence the need for <social status> etc
This is research - not a vote
It's not making a choice - it is intended to represent the attitudes and opinions of the population based on interviews with just a sample of them - the validity of that representation relies on getting the right sample - hence the need for <social status> etc
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