12 years

[B00]

Is there only me who feels terribly sorry for this woman?

http://www.dailymail....-jailed-12-years.html

[B00]

Thats the thing Mr Talbot, she wasn't thinking rationally, who knows what reasons were going on in her head why she thought her child had to die alongside her?

[doctordb]

Boo, i don't imagine many killers are thinking rationally.

[B00]

Don't imagine they are no, but couple the killing along with her aborted suicide and how it's left her just leaves me with pity for her.

[Prudie]

I'm not trying to defend her. These type of murders have occurred many times - one reason could be that the parent (dare I say mother) genuinely believes at the time that it would be better to take the child with them than leave them behind. I still think prison was wrong, she should be hospitalised.

[Mick-Talbot]

Well I disagree Prudie, I think it is the spite, malice and selfishness rising to the surface. I have known a fair few people who have committed suicide, thankfully they were not self centered enough to take their kids with them.

.... If I feel anything it is hate not pity.

[Prudie]

That's an interesting viewpoint I had not considered. i will think about it but at the moment we'll disagree. B00 and I are in the minority anyway.

[daffy654]

I have been depressed to the point of attempting suicide before. It never entered my head to harm my kids, in fact I made sure they were being looked after elsewhere at the time.

[B00]

But surely there isn't a textbook the way your mind works when suicidal or depressed?

[humbersloop]

With boo and prudie here, she's to be pitied not hated imo

[Mick-Talbot]

Makin sent a number of ‘angry’ text messages to her former lover, saying: ‘I’ll make sure you pay for this for the rest of your life’ and ‘I feel really low, really bad. My life is over.’



‘I’ll make sure you pay for this for the rest of your life’



Taking the childs life was to hurt the Ex boyfriend , the childs father.

She is scum in my eyes and no one will change my opinion.

[emmie]

Boo, no i am not, i am looking at it from someone who has significant problems in that field.

[sherrardk]

The ex wasn't the little girl's father.

[Mick-Talbot]

I should have included, Prudies comment

(dare I say mother) genuinely believes at the time that it would be better to take the child with them than leave them behind.


I don't think that was the reason Prudie.

[B00]

sorry em, you are not what?

[emmie]

i will never understand anyone, sane, mad, good, bad, black, white, man, woman taking a child's life. It's not in my DNA if you like.

[ChuckFickens]

Should mental problems ever be a defense in murder?

surely nobody in their right mind would commit murder in the first place.

(I exclude people that have been genuinely driven to it by abuse from the above statement)

[emmie]

you said i was looking at it from a sane and something, no i am not, i am, have significant problems, similar to those you attribute to this woman. Mental impairment, breakdowns, and time in hospital, would that be clearer.

[B00]

I don't know Chucky, possibly in some cases? Cases like this maybe?

I don't understand it either em, it doesn't mean I can't have a level of sympathy for this woman.

[B00]

oh right, with you now em thanks for clarifying.

[emmie]

didn't much like disclosing that, and only did so as a way of clarifying that not all people with mental health issues do this sort of thing. Or perhaps use it as an excuse for some awful act.