Positive Things About Immigration

[honeydip]

OK so I thought I would post something positive about immigration.

UK survival - Now our dwindling birthrate has smashed 2. This makes our chance of survival better than 5 years ago.

Culturally- adds to our understanding of the world and contributes to new experiences, products, events, foods etc to diversify and enrich our lives.

Economically- Competition for jobs that require a good education e.g doctors, finance, science, lawyers etc so you get the best person possible in the position and the country is run more efficiently. Also the less well educated are willing to pick up the jobs that many people would not want to do so further ensuring the productivity of a country.

Everyone is so against it on here so I thought I would post this in a hope to ease everyones fears.

[naomi24]

Thank you for that, Honeydip. Very thoughtful I'm sure.

[Captin Kirk]

expect tumbleweeds.....

[emmie]

so travelling to foreign places doesn't have the same effect, of broadening our outlook?

[bazwillrun]

Oh dear....naivety raised to a new level...unless of course this post was just meant as a joke or a wind up !

[jake-the-peg]

Foreign students are bringing £14 billion a year into the economy

http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/about/impact.php

Worryingly their numbers dropped by about 20% in the last numbers

[emmie]

competition for jobs, ok so the unqualified land here, how are they supposed to get a job, they take on a job that doesn't need qualifications, hence low paid, so will need help, cue the housing benefit and council tax benefit system if they have managed to settle into social housing or private come to that. If the persons family come too, we need more spaces in schools, including elderly relatives they may well need hospital treatment, so the one worker, all well and good, may have any number of dependants, so the state pays, hence the taxpayer..

[emmie]

you really don't need to tell us how beneficial immigration is, or has been,
we can see it for ourselves

[emmie]

is this why you live abroad?

[naomi24]

As someone who lives in France, Honeydip is always happy to encourage immigration into the UK.

[emmie]

Germany doesn't seem to have grasped your logic at all,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/21/germany-birthrate-low-falling

[emmie]

by 2040 our population will have outstripped that of Germany, uhmm

[jake-the-peg]

em - why are you assuming all immigration is unskilled.

Where I'm working we have Indians, Itanians, Spanish, Russians, French and pretty much every other nationality.

They're all very highly qualified software engineers

The British are probably about 80% but we need to be able to get the best people in from wherever they come in order to keep the organisation at the top of the pile and secure the local jobs too.

Change to visas are not helping this and are making it more difficult than it was.

It would be a real shame if some extreme event like EU withdrawal were to no longer make this site feasible due to immigration restrictions because it brings in millions of pounds to the local economy.

I doubt that we're that unusual either

[Old_Geezer]

Problem is that it's not so simple.

UK can not rely on immigration for survival as can no country. If it does not sort it's own problems out without relying on drawing in other citizens it merely puts off the fateful day when it can not stick it's head in the sand any longer and our descendants have to deal with a much bigger issue. A dwindling birthrate is vital in an overcrowded world, the trick is to learn how to generate enough wealth with the shrinking population.

Diversification is all very well but we can experience diversity from travel, trade, and simply meeting others. Immigration isn't really adding much, especially if the donor nation isn't that different.

Economically if one can not train one's own citizens then taking folk from a country that needs them is a selfish thing and ensures you waste your existing potential talent. The less well educated may well be more willing to pick up more menial tasks but the citizens who could do it then have to be supported on the welfare state.

False positives do not sway me. The country is already overcrowded and any encouragement to increase the population is irresponsible.

[anotheoldgit]

/// UK survival - Now our dwindling birthrate has smashed 2. This makes our chance of survival better than 5 years ago. ///

The one's we already have will make sure the birthrate doesn't dwindle too far.

/// Culturally- adds to our understanding of the world and contributes to new experiences, products, events, foods etc to diversify and enrich our lives. ///

Take a degree in Geography for that, They don't bring their products over here in their pockets (the legal ones that is) we import them, events and food already catered for.

/// Economically- Competition for jobs that require a good education e.g doctors, finance, science, lawyers etc so you get the best person possible in the position and the country is run more efficiently. ///

Not enough jobs for our own graduates, and the ones we import are not always the best, some can't speak the language.

/// Also the less well educated are willing to pick up the jobs that many people would not want to do so further ensuring the productivity of a country ///

And would these jobs not get done if we didn't import persons to do them?

/// Everyone is so against it on here so I thought I would post this in a hope to ease everyones fears. ///

Well I am sure we will all now sleep peacefully in our beds, after we have been to Specsavers for our Rose Tinted specs.

[emmie]

i am not assuming that, but some are here who have none or few that we actually need, they may slot into low paid jobs, but that means someone born here, for want of a better way to look at it, could have taken that job, but is not being given a chance. And whichever you look at it, many of our young people are scrabbling around for work, and if we simply import or allow in many more, what chance have they got to get a foot on the ladder of work.

[jake-the-peg]

Disaggree OG

Dwindling birthrates are vital *in areas where Birthrates are growing*

Without immigration The UK will have too many older people not working and too few generating income and we'll be in a right mess!

Think it's hard finding a plumer now? wait 30 years!

The key is getting the right king of immigration.

Young skilled people coming here to live and settle down.

Casual workers coming here for a few years and sending the money straight home does us no good at all.

Part of the problem is that Britain is being increasingly seen as unwelcoming even racist and that's putting off the sort of people we ought to be attracting

[jake-the-peg]

So Em if I have 2 candidates 1 born here and one not and the one not born here is say 10-20% better

Who do you want me to give the job to?

Or do you want to pull down the shutters so that I don't even get the chance to employ the better candidate?

[naomi24]

Jake, //Part of the problem is that Britain is being increasingly seen as unwelcoming even racist //

It is? Where did you get that from?

[jake-the-peg]

George Osbourne

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9767060/George-Osborne-Britains-unwelcoming-image-may-be-discouraging-scientists-from-settling.html

[emmie]

in my last job my colleagues were from every port of call, India, Pakistan, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Canada, America, but for the most part they were firstly highly skilled, secondly mostly born here, and were not going anywhere... except perhaps the Americans but that is another story. I have no trouble with people of whatever background, but what i do have problems with is ever more coming in, with the state of our economy, the state of the country, the way it's being run, and the fact that immigration has been allowed to run so very freely, with seemingly little or no accountability. local councils are apparently hard pressed and now making some very tough and rather shabby decisions on where the money goes. What has that got to do with immigration well if the boroughs here have more and more people, there is ultimately less to go around, and we are struggling along as it is.