Positive Things About Immigration

[honeydip]

OK so I thought I would post something positive about immigration.

UK survival - Now our dwindling birthrate has smashed 2. This makes our chance of survival better than 5 years ago.

Culturally- adds to our understanding of the world and contributes to new experiences, products, events, foods etc to diversify and enrich our lives.

Economically- Competition for jobs that require a good education e.g doctors, finance, science, lawyers etc so you get the best person possible in the position and the country is run more efficiently. Also the less well educated are willing to pick up the jobs that many people would not want to do so further ensuring the productivity of a country.

Everyone is so against it on here so I thought I would post this in a hope to ease everyones fears.

[emmie]

there it is again, using racism as a stick to beat us with, time that nonsense stopped.

[Old_Geezer]

It matters not that there is an aging population. It just means those out of work will be older than today, with more pensioners and fewer young welfare claimants. Tomorrow, as today, a country doesn't need everyone to generate wealth, just as long as the number/percentage doing so is sufficient. I see no reason to believe sufficient of those born here are incapable of learning a trade etc.. We don't have to grab skills from poorer countries.

[jake-the-peg]

No - EM it's a real problem

There are a lot of immigrants here who encounter discrimination and they tell people back home and that affects our reputation with the top people.

1 in 3 black and asian people think that descrimination has cost them a job

News stories about football fans making monkey gestures

incidents like this
http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/racist-britain-is-disgusting-says-kelis-after-being-called-a-slave-at-airport-6443280.html

This damages our image

and it's one reason (probably not the major but important none the less) why a lot of my staff in India aspire to working in the US rather than the UK.

[anotheoldgit]

/// The Chancellor said the visa system is actually very open to the "brightest and best" foreigners but the UK may need to change its unwelcoming image. ///

Unwelcoming image???????????????

We are the most welcoming nation in the world, that is all part of our troubles.

[naomi24]

Jake, you said…

//Part of the problem is that Britain is being increasingly seen as unwelcoming even racist and that's putting off the sort of people we ought to be attracting//

Your link says …..

//Britain’s reputation for tough immigration controls may be discouraging the world’s best scientists from settling.//

Spot the difference? It's all about regulations with never a mention of racism – and it does only talk about scientists. Naughty Jake!

And incidentally, George appears to be trying it on too. “Britain’s reputation for tough immigration controls” indeed! He’s having a larf!

[emmie]

JTP, what i don't get is why is it so important you keep banging on about how racist we all are, if that is really the case why do so many come here, or want to come here, and indeed are still here, long after their time to go home.

[emmie]

you also have to consider that white people are being discriminated against, you see the words don't you, chav, lazy, scrounger, and believe me that isn't being levelled at black or asian folk, but whites, it's patently wrong on every level.

[FredPuli43]

Is the objection that the population will rise above sustainable levels , for whatever reason, or that it is being increased by foreigners?

Difficult to tell, reading posts on AB over the years, which it is.

[emmie]

i read this the other day, and this coming from a woman who has no reason to like white people, or at least the British establishment...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9880562/White-groups-facing-unspoken-racism-in-UK-says-Doreen-Lawrence.html

[Noth43]

Positive things about immigration..
lets have a think..unskilled, don't speak English, unemployable - benefit claimants, refuse to integrate, the creation of ghetto's leading to cultural tension and ill ease, a strain on local resources - Health, education and housing, dragging us all down to their level because local councils haven't the budget to accommodate them....
I can think of lots of good things about immigration. Take a bus ride through Luton, a town so diverse white British people are a minority. Shops boarded up, offices being bulldozed, scaffolding and crumbling buildings covered in graffiti lining litter strewn streets....all fantastic.

[Old_Geezer]

I suspect different folk will have different opinions, Fred. For myself I think any population increase is a bad thing. At least in times of peace such as now. But there are additional issues with controlling the country's welfare if folk can just move in when they see a personal benefit from doing so. A new born tends to take a fair few years to be a potential problem.

[emmie]

that the way of life many have had is gone for good, and we aren't talking some nonsensical Hovis ad nostalgia, but real honest to goodness family and community life, the type that was once prevalent in every village, town, and even major cities like London, right across Britain. That has been blown to smithereens within a relatively short period of time. There are some very good things to come out of the last say fifty years of change, but some pretty poor things too.
Immigration will always be with us, and will always cause some to faint, others to wail, and others to say thank heavens for the diversity.

[FredPuli43]

Noth your second paragraph applies equally to towns where the majority, the vast majority, are white British. It's to do with the economy; that is the reason why shops are boarded up. It has nothing to do with the skin colour, mother tongue, or religion of the inhabitants.

[Baldric]

Bearing in mind this OP comes from someone who has deserted the UK to live in France, I have a problem taking any part of it seriously, much like his "I'm a vetetarian except when I ant to eat meat" post recently!!

[emmie]

our way of life is going, going gone, and for the most part we are to blame. for one thing who shops online, who buys food from the supermarket, who buys a foreign car, many or most, so if the high street fails it is because we let it. HMV can't compete with Amazon, nor indeed could Woolworths, and they never got their heads out of the 1970's, good as they were at some things. Most would crib at paying much much more for British made goods, as much as we would like to do so, having priced ourselves out of the market long ago. Buy at Primark because the goods are cheap, even M&S who are not so cheap make most of their clothes overseas. All the while the high street is dying, endless betting and charity shops, two ends of the social spectrum, an unedifying thought.

[Baldric]

^^^^^ Want ^^^^^

[emmie]

me, ok then x ^^

[Noth43]

lol, that's how I read it

[emmie]

i think it was crossed posts, at least i have to assume it is. x

[Zeuhl]

"I'm a vetetarian except when I ant to eat meat"

my mate's dog is a vetetarian - given half a chance