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Will Cameron Fall On His Sword To Save His Party?
After Nigel Farage UKIP met Rupert Murdoch he proposed that if Cameron was to step down UKIP would merge with the Tory Party giving them on paper a huge majority of voters at the next election.
We all know how leading politicians have such a feeling of self worth they hardly ever put their party first ahead of their own ambitions.
We all know how leading politicians have such a feeling of self worth they hardly ever put their party first ahead of their own ambitions.
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exactly, the EEC was brought into being on the back of economic trade, not so we could stop wars, so doubt at least in my humble opinion the EU had much if anything to do with it. We seem to need them as much as they need us, at least for now, but that doesn't mean to say that will continue, when countries fight it's often over the things they have, and the other wants and isn't willing to pay for it, or it's in short supply... indeed many of the worlds natural resources are being used up at a rate of knots, so will it be oil, or gas, or some other commodity that causes the next conflict..
/The EEC was for trade purposes only./
But was not founded in isolation from other areas of cooperation and was never intended as an end-point. the founders were very open about their ambition for greater integration:
wiki
/After World War II, moves towards European integration were seen by many as an escape from the extreme forms of nationalism that had devastated the continent.[28] The 1948 Hague Congress was a pivotal moment in European federal history, as it led to the creation of the European Movement International and also of the College of Europe, a place where Europe's future leaders would live and study together.[29] 1952 saw the creation of the European Coal and Steel Community, which was declared to be "a first step in the federation of Europe", starting with the aim of eliminating the possibility of further wars between its member states by means of pooling the national heavy industries.[30] The founding members of the Community were Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany.
In 1957, the six countries signed the Treaty of Rome, which extended the earlier cooperation within the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and created the European Economic Community, (EEC) establishing a customs union. They also signed another treaty on the same day creating the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom) for cooperation in developing nuclear energy./
But was not founded in isolation from other areas of cooperation and was never intended as an end-point. the founders were very open about their ambition for greater integration:
wiki
/After World War II, moves towards European integration were seen by many as an escape from the extreme forms of nationalism that had devastated the continent.[28] The 1948 Hague Congress was a pivotal moment in European federal history, as it led to the creation of the European Movement International and also of the College of Europe, a place where Europe's future leaders would live and study together.[29] 1952 saw the creation of the European Coal and Steel Community, which was declared to be "a first step in the federation of Europe", starting with the aim of eliminating the possibility of further wars between its member states by means of pooling the national heavy industries.[30] The founding members of the Community were Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany.
In 1957, the six countries signed the Treaty of Rome, which extended the earlier cooperation within the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and created the European Economic Community, (EEC) establishing a customs union. They also signed another treaty on the same day creating the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom) for cooperation in developing nuclear energy./
Noth
sorry, i thought i made that clear at 13.32
70 years without war within Europe is historically unprecedented and extraordinary.
that happens to coincide with unprecedented cooperation and integration within the 'Euro' political frameworks since 1948
It seems obvious that integration at a fundamental level in business, laws and regulations, migration and homogenisation of daily life is far more likely to affect peace between nations than the existence in the background of military cooperation in the form of NATO and especially the UN, who have repeatedly failed to prevent wars across the globe.
sorry, i thought i made that clear at 13.32
70 years without war within Europe is historically unprecedented and extraordinary.
that happens to coincide with unprecedented cooperation and integration within the 'Euro' political frameworks since 1948
It seems obvious that integration at a fundamental level in business, laws and regulations, migration and homogenisation of daily life is far more likely to affect peace between nations than the existence in the background of military cooperation in the form of NATO and especially the UN, who have repeatedly failed to prevent wars across the globe.
If NATO was responsible for European Peace how do you explain France's absence from it?
Seriously shall we stop being silly?
NATO was a US/European focused organisation set against Russia and its satellites.
The EU/EEC is/was an inter-european organisation that intertwined trade and communications within Europe.
NATO may have played some part in keeping peace between Europe and Russia - especially in the early days after WWII
It was the EEC that stoped any chance of a reoccurence of the perpetal wars between any combination of Germany and France and the UK.
It's now unimaginable that theere coulb be a war between us or the French or the Germans in a way that our grandparents would find incredible.
It wasn't NATO that did that
Seriously shall we stop being silly?
NATO was a US/European focused organisation set against Russia and its satellites.
The EU/EEC is/was an inter-european organisation that intertwined trade and communications within Europe.
NATO may have played some part in keeping peace between Europe and Russia - especially in the early days after WWII
It was the EEC that stoped any chance of a reoccurence of the perpetal wars between any combination of Germany and France and the UK.
It's now unimaginable that theere coulb be a war between us or the French or the Germans in a way that our grandparents would find incredible.
It wasn't NATO that did that
Noth & Em, does this mean to say that you think the EU/ECC had NO part to play in the peace in Europe?
I am convinced, as is Zuehl it seems, that Dr. Pinker has it spot on when he diagnoses the EU as the main contributor. NATO & the UN are often weak and slow - and in comparison the EU looks spritely!
(AOG, see here: http://
I am convinced, as is Zuehl it seems, that Dr. Pinker has it spot on when he diagnoses the EU as the main contributor. NATO & the UN are often weak and slow - and in comparison the EU looks spritely!
(AOG, see here: http://
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