Are They Already On The Bus To Uk Benefits?

[youngmafbog]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23118035

No doubt more for our hard pressed NHS and education system let alone housing and drain on the benefits system

[daisya]

Must be a lot here..Polish....for them "to be returning in their droves". Never mind tho' loads will replace them as more are welcomed from other places.

[anotheoldgit]

Well up to now the majority have spoken. "we do not want them, full stop".

[netibiza]

They cannot claim benefits until Croatia has been in the EU for 7 years.

[daisya]

Neti it is not just benefits there's not enough housing or services for a start...

[emmie]

it's not just that we don't want them, we can't support them, if housing in our cities is under such pressure, which it is, then where do they live. And if some Polish people are returning home, then what benefits ultimately did they bring in the first place, our economy may be improving slightly, theirs is getting better, so off they go, what a laugh to say that more and more immigration is good for Britain. if you stay for a year, perhaps two, then once your country's economy is much better than the host country, you dump them. it's not people who are settling into UK permanently is it. Those who in the past made valuable contributions, settled, raised families, became part of the communities and integrated into British society, it doesn't seem as though that is what happens now.

[Sharingan]

We are part of Europe for goodness sakes, when will that sink in with all of the little Englanders? We are ALL free to live and work ANYWHERE in the EU, which suits a lot of younger people who perhaps are under represented on Answerbank. England is not the centre of the universe for everyone whatever you might think.

[daisya]

Shari... Nowt to do with the slur of little englanders. It is to do with being realistic. We do not have infinite services, housing, land et al to deal with our own population now without adding to it from anywhere in the world. Please look at all sides not just from how it pleases some and those who disagree are not the enemies afaic.

[emmie]

so no one from Scotland, Wales, Ireland, has a problem with immigration, only us little Englanders, what a ridiculous statement. seeing how mixed a community we are, London especially, i wonder that some can sort out the English in the capital now, because i sure can't.

[emmie]

when you are overloaded with people, what you don't do is add more to it, like putting petrol on a fire, it won't go away because you think it will.

[daisya]

Well said em...if only those who were in the thick of it knew what it was like or were realistic enough to see what harm can befall a country with too many living there.

[Sharingan]

It is however a fact Daisya that a lot of people are happy to ignore key facts regarding EU migration because it suits their own perspective and that is very frustrating. For example the Institute for Public Policy Reasearch in Poland estimates that appproximately half of all Poles who came to the UK since 2004 have returned home- but no amount of statistical fact will persuade some people of that, it's merely a 'drop in the ocean' etc. because that's what suits their viewpoint.

[emmie]

it pisses me off quite frankly being called little Englanders, assuming that it's only the English have a problem, or that no one in Norway, Sweden, France, Germany has problems with immigration into their countries, because i am pretty sure many do. Some countries may need new blood, but as dear Angela Merkel has said any number of times the problems they have with the people who have gone to Germany to work, but have not integrated in the way she expected, makes her worry, surprise surprise. If Frau Merkel can say this so can anyone,

[emmie]

then bring those facts to the table, because many didn't start coming till later than 2004.

[Zeuhl]

/many didn't start coming till later than 2004. /

em

which bit of 'since 2004' didn't you understand?:-)

[daisya]

Totally agree em...we have always said multiculturalism cannot work unfortunately tho' wish it could. Different tribes throughout many places in the world don't get on, let alone cramming different cultures into a limited space.

[emmie]

i know this is from wiki, but it's the quickest info to find. it doesn't suit some to keep banging on about it, however our cities are taking a battering, and those who live in the sticks, or outside of the mainstream of our bigger cities, towns, wouldn't have a clue how big an impact mass immigration has been, as they don't necessarily see the results or the downside. I see what it's doing to the capital, not just with Polish, but Romanians, and many more besides, housing at a premium, large scale unemployment, and jobs that are getting harder and harder to get.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_migration_to_the_United_Kingdom

[themorrigan]

''For example the Institute for Public Policy Research in Poland estimates that approximately half of all Poles who came to the UK since 2004 have returned home''

That report was done in 2008, totally out of date.

[emmie]

zeuhl, you got out, and yes i did understand, i am trying to get though to some who don't actually see the impact, and don't actually care. UK can only support so many, we are still in an economic slump, though the latest figures seem a little more upbeat, but until we really turn the corner economically speaking, we shouldn't be importing more people. Certainly not more unskilled, we have enough of those already.

[Zeuhl]

em

but if Poles come here with skills and work (and the evidence is that the vast majority fit that description)

in what way is the country 'supporting' them?

and aren't they contributing to the economy?

this is a free market economy isn't it?

or are you arguing for more state regulation of our economy?