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No doubt more for our hard pressed NHS and education system let alone housing and drain on the benefits system
No doubt more for our hard pressed NHS and education system let alone housing and drain on the benefits system
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Em... "where are these jobs you and other go on about"
You and others on here are missing this point that I have many times before on AB. These Eastern Europeans are economic migrants...nobody is denying that. They are certainly not in Britain for our wonderful weather, our beer, or the indifferent and sometime racist welcome they get from some of our citizens at least.
My point is, and nobody has answered this yet, is that the Poles, etc have successfully settled here and the vast majority have found jobs. Those jobs most have been vacant in the first place, otherwise how could have they got employment ? We have 100,000's of our own citizens who have been "on the sick" or unemployed for years and years...why didn't they fill the vacancies that the immigrants now occupy ?
We have a huge Amazon warehouse near me in South Wales. One of my neighbours works there but the vast majority who work alongside him are Eastern European. And yet South Wales is one of the worst unemployment black-spots in Britain. We have yet to recover from the unindustrialisation of the Thatcher years.
I have returned from a week in Cornwall and in the tent next to me were a couple from Latvia. Both spoke excellent English and both had jobs at Heathrow. He refuelled the aircraft and she worked in the BA First Class lounge. Neither one had done those jobs before at home in Latvia. Why can't our people do those jobs ?
One of the reasons might be is that they have no skills whatsoever that Heathrow or any other employer could possibly use. In the course of my work in South Wales I interview people from all walks of live, for health, and skills and employment studies. Something that comes up time and time again is lots of my respondents have no trade or skills at all. When I left school, almost all boys had at least a CSE in Woodwork. These people have nothing.
The couple next door in Cornwall were extremely presentable and had excellent manners. They told me that they both found work within 2 weeks of arriving in Britain.
Can you blame the employers for taking on the migrants that have the skills they require and appear to be enthusiastic to work ? I spoke to an Manager in Royal Mail recently that had a chap sat in front of him, ready to be interviewed, with a cigarette tucked behind his ear and he asked if the Manager minded if he smoked !
If the local, British people won't take the jobs, the work still needs to done, so Employers must fall on these Eastern Europeans like manna from heaven.
You and others on here are missing this point that I have many times before on AB. These Eastern Europeans are economic migrants...nobody is denying that. They are certainly not in Britain for our wonderful weather, our beer, or the indifferent and sometime racist welcome they get from some of our citizens at least.
My point is, and nobody has answered this yet, is that the Poles, etc have successfully settled here and the vast majority have found jobs. Those jobs most have been vacant in the first place, otherwise how could have they got employment ? We have 100,000's of our own citizens who have been "on the sick" or unemployed for years and years...why didn't they fill the vacancies that the immigrants now occupy ?
We have a huge Amazon warehouse near me in South Wales. One of my neighbours works there but the vast majority who work alongside him are Eastern European. And yet South Wales is one of the worst unemployment black-spots in Britain. We have yet to recover from the unindustrialisation of the Thatcher years.
I have returned from a week in Cornwall and in the tent next to me were a couple from Latvia. Both spoke excellent English and both had jobs at Heathrow. He refuelled the aircraft and she worked in the BA First Class lounge. Neither one had done those jobs before at home in Latvia. Why can't our people do those jobs ?
One of the reasons might be is that they have no skills whatsoever that Heathrow or any other employer could possibly use. In the course of my work in South Wales I interview people from all walks of live, for health, and skills and employment studies. Something that comes up time and time again is lots of my respondents have no trade or skills at all. When I left school, almost all boys had at least a CSE in Woodwork. These people have nothing.
The couple next door in Cornwall were extremely presentable and had excellent manners. They told me that they both found work within 2 weeks of arriving in Britain.
Can you blame the employers for taking on the migrants that have the skills they require and appear to be enthusiastic to work ? I spoke to an Manager in Royal Mail recently that had a chap sat in front of him, ready to be interviewed, with a cigarette tucked behind his ear and he asked if the Manager minded if he smoked !
If the local, British people won't take the jobs, the work still needs to done, so Employers must fall on these Eastern Europeans like manna from heaven.
if our people have no skills then you should be blaming the schools for shunting them out the door so poorly equipped. some may have no interest in learning, but it would seem more youngster than ever go to uni, or did until the fees went through the roof, so they can't all be ill equipped, stupid, unemployable.
Seconded, mikey. Not much of an argument that we've got benefits scroungers and we don't need foreign ones: it's not supported by evidence, but we shouldn't have people being paid to sit at home when there are jobs for them , which foreigners have had to take.
The manager in a Heathrow restaurant I used was from the old communist bloc. He had come here some years ago. He told me that he was buying a house . His wife also works. Now when a foreigner, a manager in a restaurant, can scrape together enough to get a house and mortgage, that say something good. (If he'd had wealth, he wouldn't be doing that job, starting as a waiter, so, prima facie, he must have earned it)
There will always be immigrants who outshine natives; the natives don't generally decide to up sticks and go to a foreign country to better themselves, because they haven't the drive
The manager in a Heathrow restaurant I used was from the old communist bloc. He had come here some years ago. He told me that he was buying a house . His wife also works. Now when a foreigner, a manager in a restaurant, can scrape together enough to get a house and mortgage, that say something good. (If he'd had wealth, he wouldn't be doing that job, starting as a waiter, so, prima facie, he must have earned it)
There will always be immigrants who outshine natives; the natives don't generally decide to up sticks and go to a foreign country to better themselves, because they haven't the drive
some of your info is so wide of the mark. different links give the numbers who have moved abroad, for work, to retire, to make a better life for themselves and their families, haven't the drive, total bunkum
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You are right FredPuli, but one of my brothers had to work abroad in Germany as a brickie for years, back in the late 90's, because he couldn't get work over here. Every Friday afternoon, there was a concerted queue of white Transit vans making their way from South Wales to the channel Ports, with 100's, possible 1000's of Welsh chippies, brickies, sparks, etc.
He did it for 3 years but came back home to work eventually. His marriage was under strain, as you might imagine. But he did what he had to do, as he wasn't prepared to sit on his arse on benefits ( his words, not mine )
Our father did likewise, before WW2 and moved from Ireland to London to find work.
But I would agree that most Brits won't do what he did to get work. Actually he now has his own contracting company and employs quite a few Polish brickies himself ! Not any Germans though...well, not yet at least !
He did it for 3 years but came back home to work eventually. His marriage was under strain, as you might imagine. But he did what he had to do, as he wasn't prepared to sit on his arse on benefits ( his words, not mine )
Our father did likewise, before WW2 and moved from Ireland to London to find work.
But I would agree that most Brits won't do what he did to get work. Actually he now has his own contracting company and employs quite a few Polish brickies himself ! Not any Germans though...well, not yet at least !
Mikey... Immigrants fill the vacancies in jobs simply ( IMO) because our own unemployed have been allowed to get away with picking and choosing what -IF - job they want. Years ago if you turned down three jobs given to you by the labour exchange you then lost your dole money for a certain period as I recall. That in my opinion should apply now then perhaps those seeking work (?) might just have taken the jobs the immigrants are filling. Simple methinks...tho' perhaps too simple for some.
daisya...of course you are right, but it seems that it far easier for people to blame the immigrant, rather than address the issue.
Far be it for me to support a Tory government but Cameron seems to be grasping the nettle on this issue, as Labour had begun to do while they were in power. There have been and will be difficulties in dealing with the long-term "sick" and unemployed. But we can't go on having people born, have babies, live their lives and then die, all on benefits. They are taking all the time but not contributing. Does everybody know that someone could be "on the sick" or unemployed all their lives and still get a State Pension at the appropriate age ?
Another aspect to this is all these economic migrants are paying income tax into the system, something our feckless lot have never done.
Far be it for me to support a Tory government but Cameron seems to be grasping the nettle on this issue, as Labour had begun to do while they were in power. There have been and will be difficulties in dealing with the long-term "sick" and unemployed. But we can't go on having people born, have babies, live their lives and then die, all on benefits. They are taking all the time but not contributing. Does everybody know that someone could be "on the sick" or unemployed all their lives and still get a State Pension at the appropriate age ?
Another aspect to this is all these economic migrants are paying income tax into the system, something our feckless lot have never done.
You’re exactly right, daisy.
Much of what you say is very true, Mikey. Many British people are virtually unemployable and many newcomers have the skills and work ethic that employers seek. But whose fault is that? We have had successive governments (of all hues) telling children that their academic achievements are outstanding, a third or more of them heading (very often unnecessarily) to uni yet we cannot find people with suitable skills to refuel aircraft or work as receptionists.
So what does the government do? It pays unskilled people (who have all spent at least eleven years in full time education) to sit on their ar55es and insists we must import labour to pick cabbages! You could not make it up.
This has not just happened in the last six months, it’s been apparent for donkeys’ years and this country will never prosper or see any proper economic growth when about one pound in every six collected in tax is paid out in benefits to people who will not work. They need to be made to work or be paid absolute subsistence benefits. No money for any luxuries whatsoever, and those luxuries include cigarettes, booze and takeaway food.
Much of what you say is very true, Mikey. Many British people are virtually unemployable and many newcomers have the skills and work ethic that employers seek. But whose fault is that? We have had successive governments (of all hues) telling children that their academic achievements are outstanding, a third or more of them heading (very often unnecessarily) to uni yet we cannot find people with suitable skills to refuel aircraft or work as receptionists.
So what does the government do? It pays unskilled people (who have all spent at least eleven years in full time education) to sit on their ar55es and insists we must import labour to pick cabbages! You could not make it up.
This has not just happened in the last six months, it’s been apparent for donkeys’ years and this country will never prosper or see any proper economic growth when about one pound in every six collected in tax is paid out in benefits to people who will not work. They need to be made to work or be paid absolute subsistence benefits. No money for any luxuries whatsoever, and those luxuries include cigarettes, booze and takeaway food.
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