What Is Supposed To Be Correct, Black Or Coloured?

[trt]

I didn't think calling a black person coloured was racism?
Not sure what else the women said on the phone, but it seems very petty to me.

Also, £80 a week seems a lot for one person in her mid 70s!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477153/Disabled-pensioner-banned-using-Sainsburys-home-delivery-service-calling-driver-coloured-gentleman.htm l

[FredPuli43]

AOG, not yet offensive to call a female dog a bitch, but it may yet come in America, and, I fear, here. I had noticed a tendency to say 'female' on the Cruft's Best in Show broadcast, which was recorded and sold in America. Last year the commentator said bitch throughout, but the BBC had stopped broadcasting the programme because of revelations about bad breeding practices. Thus the coverage was only for dogdom and people here who were not shocked by the original use, which we all use here.

I was once in Cambridge with a bitch who was misbehaving. I shouted at her "Come here, you stupid bitch!" A passing American woman stopped, looking shocked, and then said "Oh, you mean the dog!"

[jno]

but do you call her a clever bitch when she does something right?

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// the Daily Mail thinks the story which gives rise to the latter question is important enough to print, so who are we to argue about the significance? ///

As do some ABers it seems, since this is the second thread on the same story, mine attracting 64 replies and this one 42 to date.

[trt]

When I was a kid, I always played up when my Mum took me to the barbers.

She would say ''stop being naughty or the black man will come after you''.
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I hope it wont be a Black Christmas? :-)

[FredPuli43]

Yes, baz, I am able to think for myself about what is not significant. Papers will only print stories which their readers think significant . The Daily Mail thinks its readers will consider this story significant. That says what it thinks of its readers. I don't think it is of any significance whatsoever, and have tried to explain why not on here

[FredPuli43]

AOG two people have posted on this story. The rest of us have tried to explain it.

[anotheoldgit]

It is such a strange thing this feeling of offence, as I have said before there have been two threads on this story alone and some of those who seem to take the high ground all the time were black persons, foreigners, homosexuals, and Muslims are concerned, are not slow at being offensive towards our Police, our Armed Services, The Monarchy, and Christians, etc etc.

Why the double standards?

[FredPuli43]

AOG, it's called 'freedom of speech'. You pick out stories. Why you choose the ones you do, is anyone's guess but your own. Often as not, people try to explain the emotive language, selective editing, false thinking, and contradictions in those stories. This commonly reads as though they are defending people the stories attack, or even approving of bad behaviour, at least from your perspective.

[Just-Jude]

...once she's scrubbed clean!

[sp1814]

bazwillrun

My comment about black people being called coloured is both an opinion and a fact. It simply is outdated.

I'm not claiming it to be a definitive answer, and by the same token, your points carry the same amount of validity.

[sp1814]

AOG

What 'double standards' are you referring to?

The question of whether the word 'coloured' is racist was asked. I think everyone has said 'no'. I myself explained that it was quite old-fashioned...you will find older people using it because that's the word they were told was polite.

So...what area are you dragging this thread to, because I can't work it out.

[boxtops]

I suspect there is more than this than meets the eye - once again, the DM are printing a version of "poor misunderstood old lady" to get the race row going again.

[sp1814]

Incidentally bazwillrun, you've hit the nail on the head. Your kids say some of your clothes are outdated. That's exactly what I mean when I say that the phrase 'coloured' for 'black people' is outdated.

Older people will still use the phrase, but younger people wouldn't (to use your analogy) wear your clothes, because they don't want to embarrass themselves.

[pixie373]

Exactly, sp. On aog's thread, several of us described it as outdated, including Fred and myself. I was always taught not to use "coloured", my parents were taught it was politer.

[tamborine]

Surely weve learned the different features to spot an indian, afro-caribbean etc. Its rude to lump them as blacks or coloured. Also mixed race, half cast can be insulting.

check No6 on census form

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2009/questionnaire.aspx

[Zeuhl]

/some of those who seem to take the high ground all the time were black persons, foreigners, homosexuals, and Muslims are concerned, are not slow at being offensive towards our Police, our Armed Services, The Monarchy, and Christians, etc etc./

aog

If you think about it objectively, you will find there is in most cases, a difference in AB posts between those who criticise actual behaviours of (for example)

/our Police, our Armed Services, The Monarchy, and Christians/

(including yourself of course on occasions)

and those who seek out every opportunity to trot out generalised and ill informed prejudices against

/black persons, foreigners, homosexuals, and Muslims/

For instance, I can't recall any posts actually condoning islamic extremism; just those arguing against inappropriate generalisations about people who were not involved

Likewise, I can't recall any posts that 'hate the Police' - just those disappointed with some of them when they are clearly revealed to have behaved wrongly.

[sp1814]

Hate to sound like the General Secretary of the Zeuhl Appreciation Society - but once again, you've summed it up perfectly.

...and used about four paragraphs less than I would've managed...

[Peter Pedant]

. AOG Sqad - thanks - my poor excuse is that my Dad was already in the bag by that time.

Brown in the paint box had mutated to Burnt Siena by the time I was borm

[Peter Pedant]

Freddie - bitching is almost here.....

I mentioned to Lidl shelf stacker - me buying and them stacking - the my dog outside was going home to be with his bitch

and they fell about laughing in various languages

and I said amid the gale of laughter - you are aware that a female dog is a bitch ?

and by the way they said yeah it was obvious this was news for all of them......

[FredPuli43]

[email protected] Would I call the bitch a clever bitch? Yes. And people talk of one dog or one bitch as dog or bitch. But we tend to talk of our several dogs as boys and the bitches as girls, which sounded terribly twee at first, but I find even I do it now; can't fight against the tide I suppose.