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Sacking Of The Chairman Of Ofsted.
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Will we now see a return of discipline, along with an academic improvement to our schools, now that the 'liberal left' influence has been removed from the head of Ofsted?
/// Under a tougher approach to discipline, unruly pupils will be forced to pick up litter, tidy classrooms or mop dining hall floors as part of a tough new approach to disciplining unruly pupils. ///
Will we now see a return of discipline, along with an academic improvement to our schools, now that the 'liberal left' influence has been removed from the head of Ofsted?
/// Under a tougher approach to discipline, unruly pupils will be forced to pick up litter, tidy classrooms or mop dining hall floors as part of a tough new approach to disciplining unruly pupils. ///
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I am unsure whether Mr Gove is just dense, or, more likely, has a vested interest in pedling this nonsense, even though he knows it is utter trash.
The reason why private schools have better results than state schools, and a far high level of extra-curricular activities is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the education system - money (surprise!)
Private schools, by definition, have a parantal group who have the financial ability to educate their children privately, and the wish for them to be educated to a higher standard than can be offered by state education.
Add to that the ability of private schools to accept or deny pupils on accademic ability - a factor denied to state schools - and you have an upper strata of ability, backed by parental finance which will fund any and all extr-curicular activites, and you have a two-tier system.
I am prepared to accept that any parents with the will and the finance will lift their child out of 'bog standard' education - I am not prepared to accept Mr Gove's assertion that there is no reason why the two systems cannot be as good as each other - when it is patently obvious why they are not as good - and that they never can or will be - certainly not because he says so, as though that makes it possible.
The lack of discipline in state schools is a popular stick to beat parents and teachers with - but it is more complex than something that needs the 'haircut and two years in the army' approach beloved by people who left school fifty years ago.
Society contains two, and approaching three generations of parents with no real parenting skills, because notions like self-respect and caring have gradually been eroded from school environments by a succession of governmental interference which refuses to see education in a wider contect than targets and meaningless futile comparisons with other nations and cultures.
If you tell teachers they are rubbish often enough, and for long enough, you will make them believe you, so why would any graduate want to place themselves in a system that lacks support, equipment, a meaningful ethos, and parental backing, in order to build an education system that teaches children above all else to value and care for themselves and each other.
If Mr Gove really wants to fix education, and that is actually his job - he needs to get the politics out of the way, stop grandstanding with meaningless and unataimable fantasy futures, and start to put money into nursery and pre-school education, where values and care can be taught from an early age, instead of trying Dickensian regimes to fix attitudes that formed in early childhood.
To return to AOG's question - "Will we now see a return of discipline, along with an academic improvement to our schools, now that the 'liberal left' influence has been removed from the head of Ofsted?"
No, because the politics of the head of Ofsted is not the issue - the problem is wider and deeper than that, and Mr Gove's nonsensical pootering proves just how out-of-touch he, and his government, really are.
The reason why private schools have better results than state schools, and a far high level of extra-curricular activities is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the education system - money (surprise!)
Private schools, by definition, have a parantal group who have the financial ability to educate their children privately, and the wish for them to be educated to a higher standard than can be offered by state education.
Add to that the ability of private schools to accept or deny pupils on accademic ability - a factor denied to state schools - and you have an upper strata of ability, backed by parental finance which will fund any and all extr-curicular activites, and you have a two-tier system.
I am prepared to accept that any parents with the will and the finance will lift their child out of 'bog standard' education - I am not prepared to accept Mr Gove's assertion that there is no reason why the two systems cannot be as good as each other - when it is patently obvious why they are not as good - and that they never can or will be - certainly not because he says so, as though that makes it possible.
The lack of discipline in state schools is a popular stick to beat parents and teachers with - but it is more complex than something that needs the 'haircut and two years in the army' approach beloved by people who left school fifty years ago.
Society contains two, and approaching three generations of parents with no real parenting skills, because notions like self-respect and caring have gradually been eroded from school environments by a succession of governmental interference which refuses to see education in a wider contect than targets and meaningless futile comparisons with other nations and cultures.
If you tell teachers they are rubbish often enough, and for long enough, you will make them believe you, so why would any graduate want to place themselves in a system that lacks support, equipment, a meaningful ethos, and parental backing, in order to build an education system that teaches children above all else to value and care for themselves and each other.
If Mr Gove really wants to fix education, and that is actually his job - he needs to get the politics out of the way, stop grandstanding with meaningless and unataimable fantasy futures, and start to put money into nursery and pre-school education, where values and care can be taught from an early age, instead of trying Dickensian regimes to fix attitudes that formed in early childhood.
To return to AOG's question - "Will we now see a return of discipline, along with an academic improvement to our schools, now that the 'liberal left' influence has been removed from the head of Ofsted?"
No, because the politics of the head of Ofsted is not the issue - the problem is wider and deeper than that, and Mr Gove's nonsensical pootering proves just how out-of-touch he, and his government, really are.
Public schools can deny those not of sufficient academic ability? Well, yes, in a way. Different schools have different criteria. Some are intensely academic; St Paul's, for example; others are not. A parent sends a boy to Gordonstoun because the boy looks the type to enjoy such things as rock climbing more than an analysis of C19 French novels or the Seven Years' War, his apparent interests not being in such studies. (That anyone sent Prince Charles there shows something of a misunderstanding). And the Public Schools indulge in some streaming according to abilities.
State schools cannot be the first, though they may attempt the second.
State schools cannot be the first, though they may attempt the second.
wow the lefties are out in force on this one, Muse lei jammed firmly up the wall it looks like!
//Add to that the ability of private schools to accept or deny pupils on accademic ability //
You dont know much about the private system do you?
And why you you have to go to a state school to know how they should be run. Most people old enough to do the job would not have been through the state system as it is today so it is totally irrelevant.
And should we ban anyone who donates to any party a job like that? It's open nothing hidden, smacks of right leftyism to me.
The one thing the private education system can do is stream people appropriately, the state system can't do this because everyone has to be a winner, hence the thick don't get the help they need and those that could be doctors, solicitors and accountants are held back and get bored, turning their attentions to the wrong things.
//Add to that the ability of private schools to accept or deny pupils on accademic ability //
You dont know much about the private system do you?
And why you you have to go to a state school to know how they should be run. Most people old enough to do the job would not have been through the state system as it is today so it is totally irrelevant.
And should we ban anyone who donates to any party a job like that? It's open nothing hidden, smacks of right leftyism to me.
The one thing the private education system can do is stream people appropriately, the state system can't do this because everyone has to be a winner, hence the thick don't get the help they need and those that could be doctors, solicitors and accountants are held back and get bored, turning their attentions to the wrong things.
AOG
"The same old rolled out excuse from the pro-immigration lobby, similar to the old chestnut, "where would our NHS be without immigration"
Could the same old chestnut be true?
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I dare say that you yourself have benefited from immigrant NHS staff.
One would think you would be more grateful than you apparently are.
"The same old rolled out excuse from the pro-immigration lobby, similar to the old chestnut, "where would our NHS be without immigration"
Could the same old chestnut be true?
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I dare say that you yourself have benefited from immigrant NHS staff.
One would think you would be more grateful than you apparently are.
"To return to AOG's question - "Will we now see a return of discipline, along with an academic improvement to our schools, now that the 'liberal left' influence has been removed from the head of Ofsted?"
No, because the politics of the head of Ofsted is not the issue - the problem is wider and deeper than that, and Mr Gove's nonsensical pootering proves just how out-of-touch he, and his government, really are."
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Furthermore...yes.
No, because the politics of the head of Ofsted is not the issue - the problem is wider and deeper than that, and Mr Gove's nonsensical pootering proves just how out-of-touch he, and his government, really are."
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Furthermore...yes.
I wonder if there would have been all this rumpus if had been just another Labour member or even a Lib/Dem one, appointed to the position?
/// The No 10 spokesman said a former Labour adviser, Simon Stevens, was to take up the post of Chief Executive of NHS England. He said: “We have also asked former Labour Cabinet ministers to carry out independent reviews.” ///
No outcry from the Tories here I see.
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/// The No 10 spokesman said a former Labour adviser, Simon Stevens, was to take up the post of Chief Executive of NHS England. He said: “We have also asked former Labour Cabinet ministers to carry out independent reviews.” ///
No outcry from the Tories here I see.
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/// I dare say that you yourself have benefited from immigrant NHS
staff. ///
I have no problem with this, but the problem that is blatantly obvious, do we need to invite mass number of immigrants of varying abilities and character, in the quest for the relative small numbers valued immigrants.
/// I dare say that you yourself have benefited from immigrant NHS
staff. ///
I have no problem with this, but the problem that is blatantly obvious, do we need to invite mass number of immigrants of varying abilities and character, in the quest for the relative small numbers valued immigrants.
Insignificant point, though it may be, but the wording of the OP is surely incorrect - from what I understood, and had read somewhere in the papers , "Baroness Morgan's three-year term at Ofsted, which was due to end this month, will be extended to autumn while a successor is found but she will not be given a second spell". Does "coming to the end of one's contract" and "sacking" mean the same thing? Not according to our HR Manager.....
It is hardly politic for Mr Gove to pick a candidate who has given £144,000 to the Conservative Party , is it ? It suggests that the man is being rewarded for his generosity. We are not here talking of someone who is regular voter for the Party ,or a member of it ,but a donor of a very substantial sum.
youngmafbog - "wow the lefties are out in force on this one, Muse lei jammed firmly up the wall it looks like!
//Add to that the ability of private schools to accept or deny pupils on accademic ability //
You dont know much about the private system do you?"
Since your quote is from my post, I assume you are labelling me with the soubriet 'leftie'? First and foremost, i am not a 'leftie, but am merely amused at your assumption of knowing the way I vote - but that is for another debate.
Actually i do know quite a lot about the private system - my wife was Head of a fee-paying preparatory school for a number of years, and is now employed as an Ofsted Inspector, your assertion is incorrect.
//Add to that the ability of private schools to accept or deny pupils on accademic ability //
You dont know much about the private system do you?"
Since your quote is from my post, I assume you are labelling me with the soubriet 'leftie'? First and foremost, i am not a 'leftie, but am merely amused at your assumption of knowing the way I vote - but that is for another debate.
Actually i do know quite a lot about the private system - my wife was Head of a fee-paying preparatory school for a number of years, and is now employed as an Ofsted Inspector, your assertion is incorrect.
"I have no problem with this, but the problem that is blatantly obvious, do we need to invite mass number of immigrants of varying abilities and character, in the quest for the relative small numbers valued immigrants."
"In the quest for the relative small numbers valued immigrants"
Obviously that's your impression but I would suggest that it is highly improbable that there is only a small pool of talent in the immigrant population of the UK.
But then again, that's just my impression from growing up in an area of high immigration and coming from an immigrant family.
"In the quest for the relative small numbers valued immigrants"
Obviously that's your impression but I would suggest that it is highly improbable that there is only a small pool of talent in the immigrant population of the UK.
But then again, that's just my impression from growing up in an area of high immigration and coming from an immigrant family.
"You dont know much about the private system do you?"
He's right. My parents transferred me to a private school due to bullying (and the fact that my teachers didn't do anything about) in the state primary school I was in. I was rejected numerous times (3, if I remember correctly) on the basis of "unsuitability" before they found one that took me.
He's right. My parents transferred me to a private school due to bullying (and the fact that my teachers didn't do anything about) in the state primary school I was in. I was rejected numerous times (3, if I remember correctly) on the basis of "unsuitability" before they found one that took me.
One factor in underperformance may be poverty. Here's a story from Cambridgeshire:
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Irrespective of where you put your 'X' come the next election, do you not think it a little 'sus' that Gove says Baroness Morgan has "done a fantastic job" and claims that he is replacing her purely because it is "good corporate practice" to regularly refresh the leaders of such organisations. Whatever happened to "If it's not broke, don't mend it"?
Ken 4155 - "...'good corporate practice' ... - this government wouldn't recognise good coroprate practice if it jumped up and smacked it in its smug tunnel-visioned overfed face!
Any coporation which has an excellent chair who is doing a good job, keeps them right there. Using the word 'refresh' is a mealy-mouthed way of avoiding the truth - the indumbant is of the wrong party, and there's a donor waiting to step in.
I was born at night Mr Gove, but it wasn't last night!
Any coporation which has an excellent chair who is doing a good job, keeps them right there. Using the word 'refresh' is a mealy-mouthed way of avoiding the truth - the indumbant is of the wrong party, and there's a donor waiting to step in.
I was born at night Mr Gove, but it wasn't last night!
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