Halal Abattoir

[bentaxle]

In this day and age is this the best we can do for these animals ,I believe it was Byron who said of these creatures Denied in heaven the soul he held on Earth while man vain insect hopes to be forgiven and claims himself a sole exclusive Heaven or something like that
He seems to have got that right as it seems what goes on out of sight or in the name of religion is o/k

[mushroom25]

it's a subject that's been debated here before, whether religious sensibilities should take precedence over animal rights, even when the latter are enshrined in law. and there's no easy answer.

on the one hand, there should be one law before which all of us must be equal. on the other, any attack on religion or its practices is seen as (insert religion here) phobia, and that is shorthand for "very bad person".

[pixie373]

I think there's an easy answer. Law should be the same for everyone and religion should never overrule it.

[bentaxle]

Couldn't put link in as I don't know how Perhaps some kind person might help ,the article was in the Daily mail

[B00]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603360/Horror-halal-slaughterhouse-Shocking-undercover-film-shows-needless-suffering-livestock-butchered-without-stunned-first.html

Whilst I personally find Halal butchery abhorrent, I also know that the 'normal' abattoir process isn't a shining beacon of animal welfare either.

[pixie373]

No. That should be looked into as well, but doesn't excuse halal.

[mushroom25]

here's another view of the same story.
whilst the DM focuses on the matter likely to gain the sympathy of its readers, another news outlet focuses on the racism of the abbatoir owner and says barely a word about the animals
http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/11145638.print/

[B00]

Agree Pixie, didn't say it did.

Both practices need looking into, however it's rather hypocritical of us to get het up over this when our own way of butchering isn't done with the best interest of the animal either.

[tamborine]

With DM evidence the local council can be pressured to withdraw their slaughter licence & the owners prosecuted for animal cruelty.

[sp1814]

I thought there was a move to change the way halal slaughterhouses operated?

Animals would be stunned, but not killed, and whilst unconscious, would *then* kill them...

[mushroom25]

that is indeed what should happen, in the eyes of the provisions made for "Dhabihah" under UK law. however in islam the consumption of blood is strictly forbidden and any meat containing it is considered carrion. thus animal flesh is only halal if completely drained, apparently this can only happen if the animal is conscious. thus rendering the animal unconscious is resisted.

[sp1814]

By the way...the way we consume animals halal and non-halal is pretty horrific.

I find it difficult to point at halal slaughterhouses, because I know exactly how our chicken (non-halal) products are produced.

I know that your run-of-the-mill supermarket roaster has been injected wth growth hormones to ensure it grows to 'full' weight in 16 weeks. And in that time, their breasts grow so large, that they cannot support themselves.

The barns that they 'live' in will have a number of dead chickens being trampled underneath, and legally the amount of room set aside for each chicken is the size of a sheet of A4 paper.

This wasn't always the way. It's down to the industrialisation of the farming industry, and because we have now gotten used to being able to buy a large chicken for a fiver.

Halal is pretty horrific, but if we look at one part of our industry, we should look at all animal mistreatment.

[sp1814]

mushroom25

Oh...thanks for that. I didn't know about that...I thought that the animal could be rendered unconscious and *then* 'drained'.

[pixie373]

Sorry- yes, i know, boo.

[horseshoes]

"I think there's an easy answer. Law should be the same for everyone and religion should never overrule it"

These are the wisest words Pixie.

[mushroom25]

//if we look at one part of our industry, we should look at all animal mistreatment//

we need not look at it at all, if we're at all squeamish about the source of our food. the environmental and economic arguments on their own should rule out growing animal protein for food, when the same acreage of land can grow 13 times as much vegetable protein.

[douglas9401]

Indeed mushroom25, but there's a helluva difference between cornflakes or Rice Krispies and a bacon sandwich.
That's where the problem really lies.

[emmie]

pixie good post, my thoughts exactly, however its too late as far as i can see.

[ukanonymous]

Aw i had it pencilled in to go to mccy D's for lunch too!

[emmie]

is that all halal then,