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Ukip Policies
What are UKIP's policies aside from the obvious ones we keep hearing about? what are they going to do for the students, disabled and the pensioners? I am worried their popularity is only based on people wanting to get out of europe and not looking at all of the policies that could affect people adversely!
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Control by a foriegn power assisted by collaboration of our own popinjays is the main problem. All else is secondary, if you cannot have self determination then eveything else is secondary. If you support subjugation by a foriegn power over the British then UKIP is not for you. If you know someone perhaps historically that fought against Tyanny then you may understand why many find the oppression in peace time far more insidious than in war, at least we knew the enemy in previous attempts to supress us.
Gromit I do not intend to vote for ukip, even if I did, I live in a safe Tory seat so it won't matter. Elections are decided in the marginals. I am a little surprisde though that you appear to agree with my assesment and as such have accepted our fate, so vote for nooish Labour, it won't matter our masters are in Bruxelles giving jobs to their useless inbred relatives, not doubt with your support.
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The election next month is aproportional representation one. So a UKiP vote will not be wasted even if your area has a large Conservative majority at Westminster.
At the last Euro election when Labour were the ones to protest about, UKiP beat them and the Conservative came first. This time the protest votes will be against the Conservatives and LibDems. Expect Labour to improve on third, but also expect UKiP to improve on second.
The election next month is aproportional representation one. So a UKiP vote will not be wasted even if your area has a large Conservative majority at Westminster.
At the last Euro election when Labour were the ones to protest about, UKiP beat them and the Conservative came first. This time the protest votes will be against the Conservatives and LibDems. Expect Labour to improve on third, but also expect UKiP to improve on second.
As I have said before, it does not matter a jot who gains the most seats in next month’s Euro elections. MEPs have very little influence over EU policy. They will certainly not be in a position to derail any of the key policies proposed by the Eurocrats. The only way any meaningful reform that benefits UK voters will come about is by measures taken in the UK Parliament.
I should not worry too much about UKIP’s (or any other party’s) manifesto, robofluff. All government policies adversely affect people to a greater or lesser degree. Most of them revolve around taking money from people and squandering it. Governments are not the best people to devise policies on things they know little about, but unfortunately the ego of many Ministers and MPs leads them to believe otherwise. In any case, a manifesto means very little. It’s simply an invitation to get you to vote for the representative of the party you dislike the least. Most parties have not the slightest intention of fulfilling their promises. Circumstances are always unforeseen or different once they gain power.
The problem here in the UK is that none of the three main parties have any intention to alter the country’s relationship with Europe. Whatever is said many people are extremely unhappy with the current situation. The cost of EU membership is enormous; the bureaucracy it generates is stifling business, many of them having no dealings in Europe but who are nonetheless compelled to comply with all EU regulations; many of the directives spewing forth from Brussels have no bearing on trade but seem simply designed to control and coerce. The biggest problem of all is free movement of people. The UK is under enormous pressure from a growing population: education, healthcare, housing; transport are all over stretched. There is not a cat in hell’s chance of this policy being restricted. After the single currency it is seen as the crowning glory of the European Project. The rip roaring success of the euro amply demonstrates why the Euromaniacs will not countenance any restriction on their second most successful act of lunacy.
The LibDems are avowed supporters of Europe. Whatever it does, whatever it proposes, is just fine and dandy with them. Nothing could be better than a Federal Europe and those standing in its way must be swiftly destroyed. The Labour Party is little different though it makes noises to suggest that it has the best interests of the UK electorate at heart. Mr Cameron talks of renegotiating our relationship with the EU. He might as well try renegotiating the time that the sun will rise tomorrow; but worse than that he knows it.
The main parties have only themselves to blame if any of them lose votes to UKIP. Yes, they are a party light on policy but the main parties are light on the one policy that troubles many people. They have ignored people’s concerns about the EU and dismissed dissenters as cranks, racists and “Little Englanders”. Next May will tell whether they have bandied their insults around too freely.
I should not worry too much about UKIP’s (or any other party’s) manifesto, robofluff. All government policies adversely affect people to a greater or lesser degree. Most of them revolve around taking money from people and squandering it. Governments are not the best people to devise policies on things they know little about, but unfortunately the ego of many Ministers and MPs leads them to believe otherwise. In any case, a manifesto means very little. It’s simply an invitation to get you to vote for the representative of the party you dislike the least. Most parties have not the slightest intention of fulfilling their promises. Circumstances are always unforeseen or different once they gain power.
The problem here in the UK is that none of the three main parties have any intention to alter the country’s relationship with Europe. Whatever is said many people are extremely unhappy with the current situation. The cost of EU membership is enormous; the bureaucracy it generates is stifling business, many of them having no dealings in Europe but who are nonetheless compelled to comply with all EU regulations; many of the directives spewing forth from Brussels have no bearing on trade but seem simply designed to control and coerce. The biggest problem of all is free movement of people. The UK is under enormous pressure from a growing population: education, healthcare, housing; transport are all over stretched. There is not a cat in hell’s chance of this policy being restricted. After the single currency it is seen as the crowning glory of the European Project. The rip roaring success of the euro amply demonstrates why the Euromaniacs will not countenance any restriction on their second most successful act of lunacy.
The LibDems are avowed supporters of Europe. Whatever it does, whatever it proposes, is just fine and dandy with them. Nothing could be better than a Federal Europe and those standing in its way must be swiftly destroyed. The Labour Party is little different though it makes noises to suggest that it has the best interests of the UK electorate at heart. Mr Cameron talks of renegotiating our relationship with the EU. He might as well try renegotiating the time that the sun will rise tomorrow; but worse than that he knows it.
The main parties have only themselves to blame if any of them lose votes to UKIP. Yes, they are a party light on policy but the main parties are light on the one policy that troubles many people. They have ignored people’s concerns about the EU and dismissed dissenters as cranks, racists and “Little Englanders”. Next May will tell whether they have bandied their insults around too freely.
When it comes to the EU elections then if you dont like europe then a UKIP vote is a good one since it does not matter what other policies they do or do not have. They, nor anyone else as TTT has pointed out have any say. That goes to the unelected and their mates who sit there dreaming up diktats that only the English obey.
If you like the EU then pick a tory/Labour/lib-dem won't make a jot of difference other than show your support for the EU.
General elections are different, although as pointed out, how many parties adhere to their manifesto when in power?
If you like the EU then pick a tory/Labour/lib-dem won't make a jot of difference other than show your support for the EU.
General elections are different, although as pointed out, how many parties adhere to their manifesto when in power?
The Conservatives won the most MEPs last time and they were part of the group with most seats. But Cameron rather pointlessly threw away that advantage by jumping from the biggest group to one of the smaller ones. We went from being at the centre of EU policy making, to the fringes, sat amongst Italian and Spanish fascists.
robofluff ...This is rather an academic question because as they are not going to win the 2015 General Election, it doesn't really matter. They can promise whatever they want but they have to get into power first.
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Crystal ball working overtime, mikey? What price a hung Parliament?
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Crystal ball working overtime, mikey? What price a hung Parliament?
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