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Judy Finnigan
When I saw the headlines this morning I had a sharp intake of breath - surely a woman wouldn't 'excuse' rape?
However, having now seen a transcript, what she actually said was (lifted from the BBC website);
"If he does go back, he will have to brave an awful lot of comments," said Finnigan during her debut appearance on the lunchtime programme.
"But, having said that, he has served his time, he's served two years.
"The rape - and I am not, please, by any means minimising any kind of rape - but the rape was not violent, he didn't cause any bodily harm to the person.
"It was unpleasant, in a hotel room I believe, and she [the victim] had far too much to drink.
"That is reprehensible but he has been convicted and he has served his time."
Ultimately she's right, isn't she?
As unpleasant as this man is, he has served his time, and therefore shouldn't he be allowed to continue to pursure his chosen career?
However, having now seen a transcript, what she actually said was (lifted from the BBC website);
"If he does go back, he will have to brave an awful lot of comments," said Finnigan during her debut appearance on the lunchtime programme.
"But, having said that, he has served his time, he's served two years.
"The rape - and I am not, please, by any means minimising any kind of rape - but the rape was not violent, he didn't cause any bodily harm to the person.
"It was unpleasant, in a hotel room I believe, and she [the victim] had far too much to drink.
"That is reprehensible but he has been convicted and he has served his time."
Ultimately she's right, isn't she?
As unpleasant as this man is, he has served his time, and therefore shouldn't he be allowed to continue to pursure his chosen career?
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mikey - "If the transcript is correct above, then Finnegan is most certainly not excusing rape."
I think you'll find saying things like 'he didn't cause any bodily harm to the person ..." - quite apart from Ms Finnegan's ignorance of any injuries which may or may not have been sustained by the victim - is going som way towards mitigating the circumstances.
Please pick any of my previous posts for my views as to why attempted mitigation is inexcusable - from a woman on national television.
I think you'll find saying things like 'he didn't cause any bodily harm to the person ..." - quite apart from Ms Finnegan's ignorance of any injuries which may or may not have been sustained by the victim - is going som way towards mitigating the circumstances.
Please pick any of my previous posts for my views as to why attempted mitigation is inexcusable - from a woman on national television.
andy, as I read it, she was talking about the sentence he received (and saying he'd served it). The gravity of the offence will have been a factor in calculating the sentence, and I don't have a problem with Finnigan saying so: if he was less brutal than some rapists, his sentence will have accordingly been shorter, and he's served it.
He's committed the crime and done the time. You can hate him forever if you want, but should he remain unemployable forever?
He's committed the crime and done the time. You can hate him forever if you want, but should he remain unemployable forever?
jno - "He's committed the crime and done the time. You can hate him forever if you want, but should he remain unemployable forever?"
I don't hate him at all - and have never suggested thus.
What I have said previously, and referred to for another AB'er who failed to see it - is that as far as i am concerned, this man should not be barred from return to his employment, but that it is unlikely to be at his former club.
I don't hate him at all - and have never suggested thus.
What I have said previously, and referred to for another AB'er who failed to see it - is that as far as i am concerned, this man should not be barred from return to his employment, but that it is unlikely to be at his former club.
jno - to save you trawling back in the thread -
"Deskdiary - my apologies for the sidetracking of your original question - should this man be allowed to continue his career?
In my view, he should be allowed to continue his career, although circumstances appear to rule out a return to his former club.
Our justice system works on the basis of crime and punishment, and there is no apparent bar to a footballer resuming his playing career after a prison sentence, however unpleasant a person he may appear to be."
"Deskdiary - my apologies for the sidetracking of your original question - should this man be allowed to continue his career?
In my view, he should be allowed to continue his career, although circumstances appear to rule out a return to his former club.
Our justice system works on the basis of crime and punishment, and there is no apparent bar to a footballer resuming his playing career after a prison sentence, however unpleasant a person he may appear to be."
andy_hughes
That pretty much summarises what I think. I don't think he should be prevented from playing football, but I think going back to his old club would be a mistake.
Put another way - if he were a plumber in the same position, it would be madness to suggest that after completing his sentence he had to retrain to work as a postman or electrician. Instead, continue as a plumber, but think very hard about going back to your old employers as it would send out all kinds of wrong messages.
That pretty much summarises what I think. I don't think he should be prevented from playing football, but I think going back to his old club would be a mistake.
Put another way - if he were a plumber in the same position, it would be madness to suggest that after completing his sentence he had to retrain to work as a postman or electrician. Instead, continue as a plumber, but think very hard about going back to your old employers as it would send out all kinds of wrong messages.
sp1814 - as has been advised, there will be a club who will come in, he was/is a talented player.
The Welsh F.A. have taken the opportunity to make a statement about the behaviour of professional footballers, and how they have a responsibility not just to spend the money that being a professional brings, but actually living up to the 'professional' part of their job description.
This includes - but is not specifically limited to - treating the rest of the human race with appropriate respect and dignity, and not as though strange women are there to satisfy your drunken lust, like you are a five-year-old with behavioural problems.
The Welsh F.A. acted in the way you would expect it to - they said nothing at all.
The Welsh F.A. have taken the opportunity to make a statement about the behaviour of professional footballers, and how they have a responsibility not just to spend the money that being a professional brings, but actually living up to the 'professional' part of their job description.
This includes - but is not specifically limited to - treating the rest of the human race with appropriate respect and dignity, and not as though strange women are there to satisfy your drunken lust, like you are a five-year-old with behavioural problems.
The Welsh F.A. acted in the way you would expect it to - they said nothing at all.
ummmm - "She didn't mean the rape was violent. She meant he didn't beat *** out of her and dumped her."
Aside from the fact that you really have no idea of what Ms Finnigan intended to say, or infer by what she said, I am trying really really hard to resist the temptation to say "So that's alright then/"
Nope, can't do it.
So that's alright then?
Aside from the fact that you really have no idea of what Ms Finnigan intended to say, or infer by what she said, I am trying really really hard to resist the temptation to say "So that's alright then/"
Nope, can't do it.
So that's alright then?
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