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Hms Bulwark
This Royal Navy vessel is currently on its way towards the coast of Lybia to 'rescue refugees' who've took to the ocean in unseaworthy vessels, their intention, the invasion of Europe.
One this naval ship's decks are heaving with 'refugees,' what's its next move going to be? Where will the navy deposit those 'refugees?'
One this naval ship's decks are heaving with 'refugees,' what's its next move going to be? Where will the navy deposit those 'refugees?'
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Mikey
When this med boat people problem has arisen before several times on AB you confessed you do not have a solution. Well at least I have provided a feasible solution by stopping at source.
You had no problem voting in a man who took us to war on a web of lies why are you shy of a quick unilateral incursion into Libya providing there men in Europe who have the cajones to sanction it.
How do you suggest these boats are stopped ?
I am off to Sunday lunch now .I wil return later. Not running awy from the head. :-)
When this med boat people problem has arisen before several times on AB you confessed you do not have a solution. Well at least I have provided a feasible solution by stopping at source.
You had no problem voting in a man who took us to war on a web of lies why are you shy of a quick unilateral incursion into Libya providing there men in Europe who have the cajones to sanction it.
How do you suggest these boats are stopped ?
I am off to Sunday lunch now .I wil return later. Not running awy from the head. :-)
naomi...now you are putting words in my mouth, as well as Retrocop !
I haven't suggested "letting them in" but if 100,000's are going to be making the journey, the problem can't be ignored and it isn't going to go away. You were praising the Australians the other day, because apparently "they won't let refugees land"
So, they must be pushing the boats back out to sea then, and they people in them drown ? Is that what you think the international community should do then ?
I haven't suggested "letting them in" but if 100,000's are going to be making the journey, the problem can't be ignored and it isn't going to go away. You were praising the Australians the other day, because apparently "they won't let refugees land"
So, they must be pushing the boats back out to sea then, and they people in them drown ? Is that what you think the international community should do then ?
There is a massive growth industry in people smuggling.
What should we expect when the internet shows thousands of people being taken on board UK ships, given life jackets, blankets and food?
Perhaps if we showed these boats being intercepted 10 miles offshore, the passengers put back on land and the boats destroyed.
All it would take is aerial spotting over known people smuggling ports - we have drones and helicopters.
What should we expect when the internet shows thousands of people being taken on board UK ships, given life jackets, blankets and food?
Perhaps if we showed these boats being intercepted 10 miles offshore, the passengers put back on land and the boats destroyed.
All it would take is aerial spotting over known people smuggling ports - we have drones and helicopters.
A United Nations (there could be a joke there) naval blockade. Intercept all migrant carrying vessels; have the migrants board RIBs under armed guard; take them back to shore, and destroy the ships/boats upon which they came. Repeat this over and over again. Obviously the logistics and expenses are going to be horrendous; however, not nearly as horrendous as allowing them to land in Europe.
"I find it ironic that this "Invasion of Europe" is being discussed during the same time as the anniversary of D-Day.”
Somewhat different circumstances, I fancy, and to compare the two things under the same topic is somewhat insulting.
I think I was among the first (if not the first) on AB to describe these events as an invasion. I took this stance some months ago and I maintain it even more so now. Bearing in mind the numbers involved and the methods employed it can be described in no other way. The answer is not to rescue these people. They are deliberately imperilling themselves and whatever their desperation (and in many cases that's debateable) the choice to go to sea in unsuitable vessels is theirs and theirs alone.
European leaders have a duty to protect the continent from this invasion. It’s no use them fannying around discussing how to accommodate the invaders and spread them out across Europe. Their duty is to prevent the invaders landing and you don't do that by plucking them from the drink and ferrying them to Southern Italy.
Somewhat different circumstances, I fancy, and to compare the two things under the same topic is somewhat insulting.
I think I was among the first (if not the first) on AB to describe these events as an invasion. I took this stance some months ago and I maintain it even more so now. Bearing in mind the numbers involved and the methods employed it can be described in no other way. The answer is not to rescue these people. They are deliberately imperilling themselves and whatever their desperation (and in many cases that's debateable) the choice to go to sea in unsuitable vessels is theirs and theirs alone.
European leaders have a duty to protect the continent from this invasion. It’s no use them fannying around discussing how to accommodate the invaders and spread them out across Europe. Their duty is to prevent the invaders landing and you don't do that by plucking them from the drink and ferrying them to Southern Italy.
Retrocop...enjoy your lunch ( or maybe Tea ! ) I will look forward to you answering my questions, on your return. As an aid to your memory, here are the two question again ::
"Nowhere have I said that I support people traffickers....please show me where, if you think that I have.
Neither have I suggested that people traffickers are providing a valuable service...again, point this out to me, if you manage to find any evidence that I have"
You are right though....I, nor anybody else has the perfect solution to the boat people problem, but I would look favourably on some kind on military action, as long as it was supported and staffed by the wider international community. But bear in mind that military interventions are all very well for some temporary abatement to a problem, but they rarely work in the medium or longer term, with the possible exception of the response to the appalling war in the former Yugoslavia, which presumably we all agree was necassary and a success.
"Nowhere have I said that I support people traffickers....please show me where, if you think that I have.
Neither have I suggested that people traffickers are providing a valuable service...again, point this out to me, if you manage to find any evidence that I have"
You are right though....I, nor anybody else has the perfect solution to the boat people problem, but I would look favourably on some kind on military action, as long as it was supported and staffed by the wider international community. But bear in mind that military interventions are all very well for some temporary abatement to a problem, but they rarely work in the medium or longer term, with the possible exception of the response to the appalling war in the former Yugoslavia, which presumably we all agree was necassary and a success.
The people that need to do the protecting are the southern European nations, Mikey. In particular Spain, Italy and Greece. In addition to that the Schengen Agreement needs to be torn up meaning that those that do arrive in those countries are prevented from entering another EU nation which is currently party to the ludicrous agreement. It would thus concentrate their minds. They would be forced to retain them, deal with their cliams for asylum or other forms of residency and kick them out if they were unsuccessful. At present all they do (and this is particularly true of Italy) is quickly usher them norhwards across their unmanned borders.
NJ...to be fair to the Italians and Greeks, they are being completely overwhelmed by this situation, which is why we, and other nations are now getting involved.
But staying with the situation in Syria, perhaps the international community needs to get tough with Assad. His citizens are fleeing for their very lives, and they will continue try to escape to safety.
But staying with the situation in Syria, perhaps the international community needs to get tough with Assad. His citizens are fleeing for their very lives, and they will continue try to escape to safety.
Of course not Mush ! But how do we fight an organisation like ISIS ? They are not like the cowboys with the black hats......they are everywhere and invisible at the same time. Perhaps we should be looking at where their funding is coming from ? They have been very successful so far and to be that successful costs a very great deal of money.
We could start by looking at the connection between ISIS and Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States perhaps ?
We could start by looking at the connection between ISIS and Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States perhaps ?
anybody else notice how from the minute mikey latched on to this post its been sidetracked and distorted..
hed be quite happy if we let every single one and all those that follow come here.
like i said in one of the earlier posts on this, and NJ has also advocated take them straigh back to a point in africa...once word gets round theyll soon think twice about things.
hed be quite happy if we let every single one and all those that follow come here.
like i said in one of the earlier posts on this, and NJ has also advocated take them straigh back to a point in africa...once word gets round theyll soon think twice about things.
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