Muslims Attacking Mosques In Uk

[agchristie]

What does this tell us and how concerned should we be?

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/muslims-in-the-uk-are-now-attacking-mosques-does-that-make-them-islamophobic/

[anotheoldgit]

/// Ill-feeling is being stoked by vitriolic preachers on both sides of the divide — including some who lecture at British universities — and incidents such as assaults, attacks on buildings and intimidation online. ///

This from the original Times report.

[SirOracle]

Naomi......I know we have "crossed swords"on a few occasions,but I wish to agree completely with you that the situation in N.I.is not caused by religious differences but by political ones.

Those posters who think otherwise are totally wrong.

I just felt that you needed some little support here as you are totally correct (in this instance ! ) ;-)

[bazwillrun]

Didn't Sunny and Shier sing I Got You Babe.

hate to be pedantic but it was was called "I hate you babe"...

[ummmm]

No it isn't.

[Gromit]

NI was about religious differences.

It was also about history, nationalism, and politics. But behind all of those was religion and the differences between the two christian factions.

[naomi24]

Bouncer, //Naomi,[ the war in Northern Ireland was nothing to do with Religion!.] Eh!!! //

I didn't say that. I said "unlike the troubles in Ireland, the rift between Muslim factions has nothing to do with politics".

[hc4361]

Apart from that blog, is there any evidence this attacks are on the increase?

Any news reports of such occurrences?

[jourdain2]

Just a bit of background to offer. I was teaching in Halifax in the late 1980's and had some lovely Muslim pupils (some lousy G.B.H. types as well) who used to chat to me outside class - I was even asked to weddings - and one particular, serious-thinking boy who understood about religious tolerance and accepted it, told me one day that there was a new mosque opening.

He was worried, I asked 'Why?' and he replied that it was Shia, the first one in the area. His dad, an intelligent man, had said that it would eventually lead to trouble and was concerned about the effect on the, then, safety of the area. Seems he was right to be concerned.

[hc4361]

Shia are very much in the minority in the UK. There is no Shia mosque in my area so the local Shia use the Sunni mosque for prayers. They travel to the nearest Shia mosque for weddings and funerals. On the whole it works well, except for one Shia Muslim who believes the Sunni Mosque should be used for local Shia Muslims for everything

[vetuste_ennemi]

"I don't think Murray's piece is meant to be taken seriously, sadly. He's a clever guy and I don't think he is really asking a question about "islamophobia". A shame he can't address the issue properly without descending into this studied "Mr Ignorant" pose. I daresay he probably does elsewhere though".
You dare say right, Ichkeria: Murray is a vociferous critic of the jihadis, especially the home-grown ones. The heavy sarcasm of this piece is, I think, Murray's expressing his frustration with the self-contradictory and profoundly immoral doctrine of multiculturalism.

[vetuste_ennemi]

"While having regular working involvement with Moslems a few years ago I read the Koran to see if there was anything specific I needed to know. One thing I picked up on was tolerance of other religions."
Your last sentence is ambiguous, UKBod. Do you mean that the Koran strongly advocates religious tolerance, or the opposite?

[ukanonymous]

well lets face it Islam is here to stay. I don't agree with it. I would not say its bad because I think all religious people are completely mad. I wouldn't just pin point the dangerous one. I think soon because of the spiritual (if thats what you call it) evolution of humanity it will be outlawed eventually. Probably in the same way we out law many other horrendous evil people. But that is not giving me the warm cozy feeling of freedom of speech. Religion will be gone full stop soon in a blink of an eye. If it is done because of the governments then that is when we need to be worried. Tough is life. Tough is fairness. The great law of england with all its human rights have issues also. We are mere pawns for the slaughter until we all unite (which will be NEVER) so from my understanding we need an over all rule based on each persons belief. With IP addresses and voting systems there may be hope on the horizon but please please until that happens let the fat cats get the cream. They are not like us. They wouldn't last a day among us. But when in power with all the security they shall and will prevail. We are now at the steps of understanding and realising. How the actions are carried out in the future depends on how dumb the average news watching couch potato changes. I don't see a bright future. I could be wrong though although I am not. I just always have hope.

[naomi24]

Sir Oracle, thank you.

ichkeria, // At some point the religious issues get blurred by the politics, as in Ireland, but sooner or later it becomes a question of power (if it was ever really anything else)
One faction gains primacy over the other and it becomes a political struggle as well as or instead of a religious one//

In the case of radical Islam what it becomes isn’t the issue, but what it began as and what it continues to be is. Islam knows no compromise and it will never change. Islamists are not patriotic; they don't champion or defend specific countries. Islamists fight for Islam, and regardless of land of birth, hold Islam supreme above all else, considering themselves to be brothers and sisters of fellow Islamists everywhere. However, in your case I’m preaching to the converted – literally – so I’ve no doubt you’re well aware of that.

Make no mistake, the troubles in Northern Ireland bear no resemblance whatsoever to the universal disaster that is fundamentalist Islam. The west is complacent at its peril.

[tonyav]

Totally agree with that naomi, this is in a totally different league to Northern Ireland.

[sevenOP]

"Haven't they spent 1400 years slaughtering each other. And anyone else they came into contact with, "

No, they have not "spent 1400 years slaughtering each other. And anyone else they came into contact with, "

Gromit, your attempt at introducting(enlightening on) the crucial Wahabbi contribution in the poisoning of Shia-Sunni relations appear deemed irrelevent; maybe the Saudi Salafist poison will be ignored too, just like the Yankees have ignored it in their Saudi occupation(economic) since WW 2.

[ Gromit, last estimates I saw recently show the US still import 12-15% oil from the Middle East. ]

[Khandro]

So what's new? we 'infidels' never seem to learn; Sunnis hate Shias and vice versa, we continually speak of 'Muslims' as if they were a single entity. At one time we used to group them together with Hindus, Sikhs and others and refer to them all as 'The Indian Community'.
The so-called islamic state isn't fighting for something as such, it is fighting for a sunni controlled shia state, and we would be wise to keep well out of it. There is nothing surprising about the fact that it is spilling over into the UK and elsewhere.

[stuey]

Well, a very simplistic statement (and some will say from a very simple person), there should be no mosques in the UK and no muslims to attack them. If they have a problem go back to muslim land.

[Svejk]

seven OP
/// No, they have not "spent 1400 years slaughtering each other. And anyone else they came into contact with ///

Mine was just a 'throwaway line' in answer to Eddie's 600 years of Islam. However, if you can pick out 1 from those 14 centuries where Islam wasn't at war with itself or others, I'll take my hat off to you.
I know it's the 'in thing' to support the RoPers amongst certain sections of society/AB but let's not forget the 300million(minimum) victims of this bellicose cult.

[sevenOP]

Svejk, " pick out 1 from those 14 centuries where Islam wasn't at war with itself or others," is a different thing to your original 'throwaway line ' - "Haven't they spent 1400 years slaughtering each other. And anyone else they came into contact with, " : continuously(all the time) and continually(at frequent intervals).- just like the Christians, Europeans, etc

I am not an expert in muslim history and have no intention researching 'your' throwaway line, but as the said "careless talk costs lives".