There Shouldnt Even Be One Claim...

[bazwillrun]

http://news.sky.com/story/1654459/crackdown-on-prisoner-compensation-claims

I dont care what the reasons are, what was done or not done to them, for the most part these are trash, these scum shouldnt even be allowed to lodge a claim in the first place.

Why are they even allowed to claim ?...oh let me guess oooman frikkin rights..Pfffttt

[BRIGHT SPARK]

The NHS is struggling in many areas and since the closure of many psychiatric hospitals urgently needed help is very slow to be delivered.This linked to many other contributing factors results in the situation described by Nailit.......I believe he makes very good ..but worrying sense.The prison service has taken over from the hospitals.

[pixie374]

I think it's always been that way.

[naomi24]

Pixie, //Because they are entitled to it, but don't need it. //

But they shouldn't be entitled to it. That's the whole point. Criminals cost the taxpayer enough without giving them payments for perceived injustices.

[CrapAtCryptics]

//The prison service has taken over from the hospital//
Very true when its is being savagely underfunded more each year, poorly managed and unrealistic pressures placed on staff. 40%+ of prisoners are suffering from some kind of mental disorder according to a recent study.

[BRIGHT SPARK]

..spot on crypto...its cheaper to lock em up than to treat them!

[andy-hughes]

Any thread involving prisoners' rights tends to polarise fairly quickly into the two camps - those who believe that a criminal conviction forfeits the rights extended to the rest of society, and those who see the situation as somewhat more complex.

My belief has always been the same - the punishment involved in imprisonment is the removal of liberty. That is the punishment, it does not include add-ons such as loss of dignity and basic human rights.

That said - it does appear that the desire to ensure that rights are adhered to has resulted in both wholesale abuse of the systems, and a perhaps over-zealous willingness to be seen to be politically correct.

As other posters have opined, the obviously frivolous and false claims should be dismissed at the earliest opportunity, and the genuine and serious cases should be dealt with appropriately and proportionately.

We must bear in mind that a prison system does concentrate the minds of inmates inwards - they have little to occupy their time, and their situation makes their own sense of self expand to fill their thinking. This leads to a hyper-sensitivity towards perceived unfair personal treatment and a zealous desire to pursue a positive result.

That is an instant recipe for claims from the trivial to the serious, and rigorous checking and monitoring procedures should be in place to ensure that meaningless attempts to make waves and attract attention are not being entertained, and that genuine abuses are being assessed and addressed apropropriatly.

[EDDIE51]

^ Andy I have worked in a prison and I know for fact that the large majority of claims are dismissed without payment. We only hear of a tiny minority of claims, 95% are dealt with internally by the prison management and we never hear of them.

[Svejk]

^Because it's cheaper to, quietly, pay up.

[andy-hughes]

EDDIE - //^ Andy I have worked in a prison and I know for fact that the large majority of claims are dismissed without payment. We only hear of a tiny minority of claims, 95% are dealt with internally by the prison management and we never hear of them. //

Thank you for that.

It does underline the way the media works - 'Fred Bloggs claimed twenty thousand pounds for 'emotional distress' when he was unable to renew his library book - his claim was dismissed ...' is not news, but

'Fred Bloggs claimed twenty thousand pounds for 'emotional distress' when he was prevented from attending his wife's funeral - his claim was upheld ...' is news.

Outrage sells papers.

[bazwillrun]

"But they shouldn't be entitled to it. That's the whole point. Criminals cost the taxpayer enough without giving them payments for perceived injustices. "

exactly naomi

the public should not be dishing out any more money than they already are for these people, and that includes giving it to a charity instead, and if as EDDIE says a lot of these "claims" are dealt with internally(meaning hushed up so we dont get to hear of them), then thats even worse.

Id imagine a lot of inmates have outside funds available legally and/or illegally gained..but do they pay for their dental treatment, or their prescriptions etc.if they need glasses, how are they paid for ?

[nailit]

//Id imagine a lot of inmates have outside funds available legally and/or illegally gained//
As you say, you imagine it.

[whiskeryron]

Criminals serving sentences imposed by civilised criminal courts are by definition UNCIVILISED & therefore not entitled to claim civilised redress for supposed wrongs. I have never heard such nonsense. It could only happen here where we obviously have to listen to so many so called do gooders.

[Retrochic]

Nailit -I never said there were no people in prison with mental issues -I said they were in there because they broke the Law not because they wee mentally ill!
There is so much reported about criminals that 'eventually' get a custodial sentence after committing many many crimes and getting fines or community service, I would think you have to have done something illegal quite a few times before getting a custodial sentence.

[andy-hughes]

whiskeyron - //Criminals serving sentences imposed by civilised criminal courts are by definition UNCIVILISED & therefore not entitled to claim civilised redress for supposed wrongs. I have never heard such nonsense. It could only happen here where we obviously have to listen to so many so called do gooders. //

That position assumes that every single inmate is incarcerated for an offence so heinous that they should be chained to a wall and fed bread and water for the duration of their sentence.

As other posters have explained, a vast variety of inmates are in prison for a vast variety of reasons, and to simply cut off all rights is inappropriate.

As I have pointed out - the punishment is loss of liberty, not loss of rights to proper treatment, and redress of wrongs.

Failure to address a legitimate claim against wrong treatment by a prisoner makes the justice system the offender and I am sure you would agree that this would not be right.

[BRIGHT SPARK]

Retro...I think Nailit means they were imprisoned as a result of a mental illness..not because of one!

[nailit]

retro, I can understand why you think the way you do, the media always highlight criminals who seem to get off again and again but Ive seen the other side. There are people in prison who simply shouldnt be there.

[Retrochic]

Guess what - the moron that beat up my eldest son while he was outside a nightclub minding his own business ( CCTV proof), cracking his eye socket and causing son to be off work weeks and have a metal plate in his head -I suppose he has 'rights' in prison? I suppose he had an unhappy childhood which meant he can be forgiven for punching the lights out of anyone he didn't like the look of?

Oh and the nice travelling people who try to steal at least one item out of our barn every year -in fact anything that is not tied down including blankets of off horses backs - I suppose when and if they ever got caught they would say it was because they were an ethnic minority and they did'nt know any better?

IMHO people in prison should have NO rights

[BRIGHT SPARK]

Lets hope a psychiatric illness never comes your way Retrochic.

[Retrochic]

BRIGHTSPARK - Well if it does I wouldn't end up in Holloway would I?

[andy-hughes]

Retrochic - //Guess what - the moron that beat up my eldest son while he was outside a nightclub minding his own business ( CCTV proof), cracking his eye socket and causing son to be off work weeks and have a metal plate in his head -I suppose he has 'rights' in prison? I suppose he had an unhappy childhood which meant he can be forgiven for punching the lights out of anyone he didn't like the look of?

Oh and the nice travelling people who try to steal at least one item out of our barn every year -in fact anything that is not tied down including blankets of off horses backs - I suppose when and if they ever got caught they would say it was because they were an ethnic minority and they did'nt know any better?

IMHO people in prison should have NO rights //

As I have stated many many times - the law has to act with impartiality, and the luxury of emotion and anger such as you perfectly understandably evidence here, are not involved in the judicial process, nor should they be if laws are to be applied in fashion that works for the greater good of society.

The law deems that punishment is loss of liberty - not loss of humanity.