Very Interesting...

[Svejk]

http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/politics/2016/04/05/migrants-eu-commission-eyes-office-for-asylum-decisions_a8886e2c-a183-43d4-8506-4643e7ca97bf.html

[ladybirder]

EDDIE can you give a link to France saying it will pull out of its agreement with the UK please. The Telegraph is reporting differently here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12147334/France-contradicts-Cameron-over-Calais-migrant-camps.html

[naomi24]

DT/Eddie. //Immigration has sweet fa to do with Brexit.//

That doesn’t seem entirely logical to me. Surely if we’re ‘out’, the door that is currently wide open to the 500 odd million inhabitants of ‘Europe’ will be closed. No?

[Baldric]

And as for

///The 2nd World War finished over 70 years ago - move on for Christ's sake.///

Your maths are indeed correct, less than 100 yeas ago thousands of our Countrymen gave their lives to protect the freedom of the UK and now a large number of our Countrymen can't wait to surrender total control of the UK to a European Organisation who wish to take away our National Identity.
You just couldn't make it up.

[DTCwordfan]

Dinosaur perspectives indeed - economics, technology, science and politics across the globe have changed - and how they have changed. Therefore move on and lead from the front. Influence and steer change from within.

That does not undermine the legacy that our forefathers (and mothers) left - they were responding to the times - and the Empire has gone too....we can not survive as Little England and Wales, as those Scots are going with the EU and independence on a No vote.

[DTCwordfan]

so what is it, naomi, 2 million here as to EU immigrants and 1.7 million UK expats in Europe - given that we are one of the top two economies, that seems reasonably balanced - and then let's have a look at the investment balance....we lose.

[naomi24]

DTC, I'll assume you took my point – but that aside, don’t panic. We’ll survive.

[DTCwordfan]

I'll get my second vote out to neutralise naomi...... night all, 'this voter's not for turning.' Change from within......

[Jackdaw33]

I too remember the Empire. Wonderful theatre. Saw the Beverley Sisters there in panto in 1956. Gone, alas, now, as DTC says.

[-Talbot-]

What have our greatest influences been on the EU, DT?
What have we changed from within?

[naomi24]

Who's the Dinosaur. ;o)

[naomi24]

^That was to DTC.

[cassa333]

How can immigration not be better after a Bertie?

We have a tunnel. Put them back on the train to France if they come that way. We have airports. Put them back on a plane to the place the plane came from.

The only thing we have that could be difficult to manage is our thousands of miles of coast. However it is more tricky for illegals to come that way as it is by far harder for them to get in a dingy and Bob a mile across a body of water....Unless you count the Solent and the boats that come from the IOW, Oh that's a ferry !

[Hypognosis]

@DTCwordfan

//Influence and steer change from within. //

That's a thing of the past. Where we used to be a fifth or a seventh of the EEC, we are now one twenty-seventh, and falling. Easily outvoted by those mewly joined nations with the roads which they hope our money can help build. (You'll possibly recall Jeremy Clarkson (solo series, years before new Top Gear) carping on about all the lovely, smooth, roads our money built in Spain (to go with the empty apartments, we also helped pay for)). Probably humour but making the point that, as "5th biggest economy in the world" we are seen as the member state who should be bringing things to the party which less well-off members can enjoy (outside of the analogy I mean infrastructure improvement works help drag their performance abilities up towards our standard of output).

Yes, socialism, writ large, so Tories should be against it, on principle.

I intend to vote OUT, even if I think it may be bad for our economy because it is about matters of sovereignty now. We have none, as a 1/27th partner, no matter how much we put into the kitty, relative to the others.

[Gromit]

Not sure what the excitement is about.

The Dublin Agreement does not work, never has. The UK does not send any migrants back to the point of entry, (Italy and Greece). So if the agreement is scrapped, it will not make one iota of difference.

If the EC take control from countries, and distribute asylum seeks around the EU on a quota system, then the UK will not be forced to take any, as we opted out of the EU asylum policies.

So this will have absolutely no effect on the UK at all.

[Svejk]

That's highly debatable, gromit. If we vote to remain, the 'project' for more EU integration will accelerate. Besides, some of us aren't totally self interested. ie. As long as something we believe to be wrong doesn't affect us, we can just ignore it.

[anotheoldgit]

DTCwordfan

/// Brits are not prepared to get off their anuses and do anything ///

During WW2, they had names for such as you, 'Quisling', 'Traitor', etc, now we call them 'Anti-Brits'.

[Gromit]

Svejk,

Not sure self interest comes into it when having an opinion on the EU. Whichever side you are on, it is the interest of the country as a whole which should be the primary interest. There, opinion differs. But you cannot say with any justification that the people who want to leave have no self interest, and those that want to stay, are motivated by self interest.

I still cannot see why a proposed rule change that does not affect the UK, should make me want to vote to leave.

[Svejk]

I didn't bring the leave vote into it, just posted another worrying diktat from Big Brother. (which reminds me, the beeb are having a statue of Orwell outside broadcasting house)

[Svejk]

^They use 1984 as a manual instead of a warning.