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Hypothetical Question: If We Had Never Joined Europe …..
…. and were invited to join now, would you vote ‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
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If both were as it is now then a definately no from me.
It is not beyond the realms of most people able to read and think to see that the EU has been a bit of an ego trip for Eurocrats and with all the trouble with the euro, migration and beurocratic interference you do not need to ponse your answer up with 'I don't know what position we would be in now' Any idiot can see the problems that have arisen with the Euro, stagnating employment and rising unemployment in the EU, the loss of self determination within the EU to unelected beurocrats, unstoppable migration not to mention the costs involved just to be shafted by every country not able to control itself while being penalised for doing well.
WHY would anyone want to join that?
It is not beyond the realms of most people able to read and think to see that the EU has been a bit of an ego trip for Eurocrats and with all the trouble with the euro, migration and beurocratic interference you do not need to ponse your answer up with 'I don't know what position we would be in now' Any idiot can see the problems that have arisen with the Euro, stagnating employment and rising unemployment in the EU, the loss of self determination within the EU to unelected beurocrats, unstoppable migration not to mention the costs involved just to be shafted by every country not able to control itself while being penalised for doing well.
WHY would anyone want to join that?
If we were exactly as we are now, other than we were out of the EU, then we wouldn't be exactly as we are now. Europe would be a very different place if the UK had never joined the EU -- the EU would be quite different, for that matter. Different in what way will affect the answer. Not unreasonable to duck a question to which the answer depends on the exact, unknown, scenario.
In most scenarios I suspect I would have wanted to join. Although then again, that's assuming that I think in this hypothetical world the same way I do in the real world -- and heck, even that assumption is stretching it. I thought one of the criticisms of younger people was that they were only voting to stay in the EU because that was the world they knew. I dare say that *does* shape my views to an extent. But of course if we weren't in the EU then that wouldn't be the "only world I knew".
In most scenarios I suspect I would have wanted to join. Although then again, that's assuming that I think in this hypothetical world the same way I do in the real world -- and heck, even that assumption is stretching it. I thought one of the criticisms of younger people was that they were only voting to stay in the EU because that was the world they knew. I dare say that *does* shape my views to an extent. But of course if we weren't in the EU then that wouldn't be the "only world I knew".
Oh for goodness sake.
The question wasn't 'imagine what it would be like if we had never joined'
I suspect that it is very easy for 'supposed' intelligent people or those that like to think they are, to not answer the actual question and put in the 'what ifs'. The what ifs was not asked.
If we are going for imagination I would imagine that it would be pretty much as it is now. The only difference being that the EU would have had less money to squander and would possibly have gone broke by now because they wouldn't have been able to afford the bail outs they have given.
So in the imagination stakes. The EU machine would either be dead because they ran out of our money or they are pretty much as they are now.
Ya gotta get to the same answer of No to joining that as much as No to joining if (as the question was asked) it was as it is now.
The question wasn't 'imagine what it would be like if we had never joined'
I suspect that it is very easy for 'supposed' intelligent people or those that like to think they are, to not answer the actual question and put in the 'what ifs'. The what ifs was not asked.
If we are going for imagination I would imagine that it would be pretty much as it is now. The only difference being that the EU would have had less money to squander and would possibly have gone broke by now because they wouldn't have been able to afford the bail outs they have given.
So in the imagination stakes. The EU machine would either be dead because they ran out of our money or they are pretty much as they are now.
Ya gotta get to the same answer of No to joining that as much as No to joining if (as the question was asked) it was as it is now.
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