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Why Do Eu Nationals Want A Guarentee?
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I was under the impression that Utopia is just across the channel!
I was under the impression that Utopia is just across the channel!
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/The Three Million group is demanding assurances// DEMAND. Really, do they understand how the EU works? The EU wont discuss it early so neither can we. My personal preference is that all those who hold residency prior to the referendum (in any EU country) should be invited to take the Nationality of that country and therefore never be requested to 'Go Home'.
11:02 Mon 12th Dec 2016
I suppose if you live in France, or Portugal or Spain, you need to know that you are not going to get kicked out, or lose your rights once Brexit is completed.
People need to plan the rest of their lives. If they cannot live in the EU, they will need to make plans to return to blighty asap.
Hopefully, they will be allowed to stay where they are living, but they need to know.
People need to plan the rest of their lives. If they cannot live in the EU, they will need to make plans to return to blighty asap.
Hopefully, they will be allowed to stay where they are living, but they need to know.
Because they want to stay here and those in other EU countries want to stay there.
If it is 'morally wrong' to use migrants (legal or otherwise) such as these as a bargaining chip then so be it because how would people feel if we let all migrants stay but come Bretix UK nationals were sent packing back here?
Would that be morally right?
Life is not always fare but is seems patiently obvious to me that reciprocal arrangements should be used. In fact do the same for all negotiations.
If it is 'morally wrong' to use migrants (legal or otherwise) such as these as a bargaining chip then so be it because how would people feel if we let all migrants stay but come Bretix UK nationals were sent packing back here?
Would that be morally right?
Life is not always fare but is seems patiently obvious to me that reciprocal arrangements should be used. In fact do the same for all negotiations.
linda - //We are willing to make the guarantee forbut the EU citizens being able to stay here but other EU countries won't. //
That's not quite accurate.
The European countries have advised that the future of UK citizens will form part of their Brexit negotiations, no doubt linked to the free movement that Europe wishes to continue enjoying, so they are not discussing the issue until the negotiations commence next year.
That's not quite accurate.
The European countries have advised that the future of UK citizens will form part of their Brexit negotiations, no doubt linked to the free movement that Europe wishes to continue enjoying, so they are not discussing the issue until the negotiations commence next year.
/The Three Million group is demanding assurances//
DEMAND. Really, do they understand how the EU works?
The EU wont discuss it early so neither can we. My personal preference is that all those who hold residency prior to the referendum (in any EU country) should be invited to take the Nationality of that country and therefore never be requested to 'Go Home'.
DEMAND. Really, do they understand how the EU works?
The EU wont discuss it early so neither can we. My personal preference is that all those who hold residency prior to the referendum (in any EU country) should be invited to take the Nationality of that country and therefore never be requested to 'Go Home'.
Because it works both ways. UK citizens who live in the rest of the EU and EU citizens who live here. Both are equally affected.If we don't let EU citizens live here we can hardly expect them to allow UK citizens to live in the EU.
Remember there are over 1.25 million UK citizens who have moved permanently to the EU! They don't want to be forced to come back.
Remember there are over 1.25 million UK citizens who have moved permanently to the EU! They don't want to be forced to come back.
It is straightforward.
The EU will not (quite rightly IMHO) begin to negotiate anything that relates to the rights of citizens of the UK and those of what remains of the EU post-Brexit until A50 is triggered. The rights of people to live here and the rights of UK citizens to live elsewhere will (presumably) both be covered in those negotiations. Neither the UK nor the EU should be forced to make any unilateral declarations on the issue since the two are inextricably linked. So I don't actually know what the fuss is about.
The EU will not (quite rightly IMHO) begin to negotiate anything that relates to the rights of citizens of the UK and those of what remains of the EU post-Brexit until A50 is triggered. The rights of people to live here and the rights of UK citizens to live elsewhere will (presumably) both be covered in those negotiations. Neither the UK nor the EU should be forced to make any unilateral declarations on the issue since the two are inextricably linked. So I don't actually know what the fuss is about.
All 3.6 million EU nationals 'can stay in the UK after Brexit'
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Whatever was discussed, Eddie (and I must say I've not been keeping up as I've had a houseful of guests since Thursday) it would not be "EU citizenship". There is no such thing. People are citizens of the individual EU member nations. If their country ceases its membership then they are no longer citizens of an EU member nation.
What may have been discussed is the possibility of UK citizens retaining some of the rights they had when the UK was part of the EU - which is quite a different thing. Personally I don't expect to retain any of those rights and more importantly I don't expect people from other EU countries to retain the rights they had. Having said that I would not like to see anybody forcibly repatriated (in either direction) and I believe the rights they had to (say) residency should be retained for those who arrived legally under the prevailing rules. But that's about it. All the other rights should be forfeited.
What may have been discussed is the possibility of UK citizens retaining some of the rights they had when the UK was part of the EU - which is quite a different thing. Personally I don't expect to retain any of those rights and more importantly I don't expect people from other EU countries to retain the rights they had. Having said that I would not like to see anybody forcibly repatriated (in either direction) and I believe the rights they had to (say) residency should be retained for those who arrived legally under the prevailing rules. But that's about it. All the other rights should be forfeited.
"Why can't the Government formally give a guarantee now instead of making millions of people anxious?"
So basically, then, we should say "Yes OK. You 3.6m people can stay here". Then the EU can say to the UK ex-pats "Sorry, you're out".
The reason the UK will not make that guarantee unilaterally is not simply because of the anxiety of the 3.6m here but also the anxiety of the 1.1m (or however many it is) of UK citizens elsewhere. As I said earlier, the two are linked.
So basically, then, we should say "Yes OK. You 3.6m people can stay here". Then the EU can say to the UK ex-pats "Sorry, you're out".
The reason the UK will not make that guarantee unilaterally is not simply because of the anxiety of the 3.6m here but also the anxiety of the 1.1m (or however many it is) of UK citizens elsewhere. As I said earlier, the two are linked.
New Judge this is the link that started the previous discussion
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Associate citizenship of the EU is to be 'Fast Tracked' for UK citizens 'post Brexit'.
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Associate citizenship of the EU is to be 'Fast Tracked' for UK citizens 'post Brexit'.
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