Religion No Excuse For Gay Discrimination

[Zacs-Master]

In a similar case to Cakegate, a court in the US has ruled that discrimination against gays on religious grounds isn't lawful:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/florist-discrimination-gay-couple-washington-court.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[Jackdaw33]

//...this bigoted nasty woman\\

How accepting of you, how tolerant.

[jackthehat]

///As the gay couple who went there knew full well they would be refused I don't see why you refuse to accept the B & B was targeted.///

Because they didn't, that's why.

[kawanabe]

Condescending is much better.

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - //I'll just repeat what I said earlier and leave it at that. I think where somebody's home is concerned the normal "rules" shouldn't necessarily apply. //

Absolutely.

You can have whom you want to stay in your home, and whom you wish to refuse.

But if you open your home as a business, then you are subject to the laws that govern that business.

You don't get to revert to the notion that it's 'your home' and you can refuse people, not even if you 'make a few quid'.

If you are running a business, then the premises is a business premises, and the law applies.

If you want to treat it as your home, then don't charge people to stay there, and you can say who stays, and who doesn't.

But the idea that you can slide between business and home depending on whether you like the people who come thoru8gh your door? Sorry, that's just not how it works.

[andy-hughes]

jackdaw - ////...this bigoted nasty woman\\

How accepting of you, how tolerant. //

My tolerance is available to anyone who is similarly tolerant, but it is rationed for people who flout the law through their personal arrogance.

[Khandro]

islay; //Do you have any evidence that muslims have refused to serve gay persons?//
Oh yes! and a bit more;
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/islamic-state-throws-four-gay-men-off-rooftop-taunts-gays-with-photos-of-murders-bearing-lovewins-hashtag

[jackthehat]

Khandro - Most of this post has been spent trying to move away from the 'overseas' treatment of gay people, especially by Muslims.

[Mamyalynne]

That piece has been aired here before, more than once and it is without question truly horrific.

I must ask though what it has to do with the refusal to be served in a retail situation as the one in the link supplied by the OP.

[-Talbot-]

Khandro - Most of this post has been spent trying to shut down the treatment of gay people, by Muslims.







I am oblivious why this should be though.

[-Talbot-]

[-Talbot-]

How odd
https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmdiqB_8l2k

C&P then remove the gap.

[-Talbot-]

The gap actually removes itself, just C&P it open it up in google ... video at the top.

[Islay]

//How accepting of you, how tolerant. //
Yes Jackdaw as was your name calling of the homosexuals that was removed!!!

[naomi24]

//” The ruling, he [The state’s attorney general, Bob Ferguson] said, sends a clear message that “sexual orientation is a protected class — just like race, just like religion.”//

Religion is a protected class …. unless, presumably, another class takes precedence in law - which appears to be the case here. At times like this the law can be seen to be climbing up its own bottom.

I don’t understand the objections to Muslims having been brought into the discussion. As far as I can tell, this ruling does not, and cannot, apply solely to one specific religion.

[Khandro]

//I must ask though what it has to do with the refusal to be served in a retail situation as the one in the link supplied by the OP.//

As the OP is without a question attached, it's a pretty broad canvas.

[anotheoldgit]

Would it be lawful for the guest house owners to turn away an unkept looking person such as a tramp?

If so, then surely this is also discrimination against the person because he or she doesn't conform to certain other standards?

[jackthehat]

///Would it be lawful for the guest house owners to turn away an unkept looking person such as a tramp?///

Yes, of course it would.

///If so, then surely this is also discrimination against the person because he or she doesn't conform to certain other standards? ///

No, not the same thing, at all.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //Would it be lawful for the guest house owners to turn away an unkept looking person such as a tramp?

If so, then surely this is also discrimination against the person because he or she doesn't conform to certain other standards? //

Any shop or guest house, or business, can turn away a customer and they are not legally obliged to give a reason why.

It is people who have the arrogance to break the law in order to force their personal religious views on strangers that are taken to task - because they break the law.

And despite the endless spin-offs into Muslim activities, that is the bottom line of this situation - the woman broke the law, and she was found to be breaking the law.

I fail to see why anyone has a problem grasping that, or is constantly searching round for more serious breaches in civilised behaviour, as though that will mitigate, or even excuse what has happened.

It won't, so time to stop looking.

[mikey4444]

AG......"Would it be lawful for the guest house owners to turn away an unkempt looking person such as a tramp? "

We have discussed that case many, many times here on AB, and I take it you still don't understand why the Guest House proprietors lost their case ?