Quizzes & Puzzles1 min ago
Is It Time For Another Referendum?
About...............................abolishing the House of Lords?
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“NJ - I bet you didnt read the Bill before you tap tap tapped away ......” Yes I did, Peter. I usually comment on things from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance. And my point still stands. It’s not kinda sensible at all. In fact it’s not even remotely sensible unless the EU guarantees reciprocal rights for UK citizens currently living...
19:59 Fri 03rd Mar 2017
Since when has reformation of the Lords been a left wing thought? And if it is how come so many real Lefty labour people (Prescott Charabati sing to mind) burn a hole in the carpet rushing for their seat?
Signed but it wont do any good. The Lords have too many friends in high places and the old boys network will kick in.
Signed but it wont do any good. The Lords have too many friends in high places and the old boys network will kick in.
The uk's hand is already weak due to the asinine decision to threaten to walk away with no deal. Billions is currently being wasted making the U.K. governable in the event of that happening. Such a situation nonetheless leaves the uks position parlous indeed
The Lords needs reforming: a lot smaller, but the fact that it is unelected already means it has less power - having a second fully elected chamber risks undermining the Commons. The Lords frequently send bills back for amendment and this is no different
A petition eh? Well there's a surprise
The Lords needs reforming: a lot smaller, but the fact that it is unelected already means it has less power - having a second fully elected chamber risks undermining the Commons. The Lords frequently send bills back for amendment and this is no different
A petition eh? Well there's a surprise
And it raises another interesting issue: plainly a lot of MPs voted for Article 50 out of fear of their constituents. While undoubtedly it is good for elected representatives not to be oblivious to the views of constituents, and to be bound by them to an extent, if you genuinely think something is seriously wrong, you should not be swayed by that.
And their Lordships of course, do not have that worry, as no doubt they also did not when they backed the poll tax all those years ago ...
And their Lordships of course, do not have that worry, as no doubt they also did not when they backed the poll tax all those years ago ...
Nigel Farage has said on LBC that while he begrudges the Lords' existence, he thinks their decision is the right one. Specifically, he lambasted the government for failing to guarantee the rights of EU citizens.
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Not often I agree with Farage, but this is one of those times.
I do find it funny that the rallying cry of Brexiteers was "we want our country back" but they've proved remarkably cavalier about disbanding the United Kingdom entirely (something I seem to remember the EU being accused of), undermining British courts, disbanding our political institutions, etc.
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Not often I agree with Farage, but this is one of those times.
I do find it funny that the rallying cry of Brexiteers was "we want our country back" but they've proved remarkably cavalier about disbanding the United Kingdom entirely (something I seem to remember the EU being accused of), undermining British courts, disbanding our political institutions, etc.
Well said kromo (and Nigel, for once!).
What people rushing to sign this petition should reflect on is this:
Currently, the government can just turn round to the Lords and say "stuff your vote: we are going to carry on regardless". And because the Lords are not elected, fundamentally, and regardless of what the rules say, no one is going ultimately to come back with any great moral force.
However, if an ELECTED chamber threw a spanner in the works, well then there would be more of a problem: and Brexit might be in (even more) trouble.
What people rushing to sign this petition should reflect on is this:
Currently, the government can just turn round to the Lords and say "stuff your vote: we are going to carry on regardless". And because the Lords are not elected, fundamentally, and regardless of what the rules say, no one is going ultimately to come back with any great moral force.
However, if an ELECTED chamber threw a spanner in the works, well then there would be more of a problem: and Brexit might be in (even more) trouble.
Fear not, "The Lady's not for turning".
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ich/Kromo etc - I think everyone agrees to the protection of rights for EU citizens currently living here, including the government. The point is that if the EU know that we are forced by our own statute to do so they can force all sorts of other things on us for reciprocating. The Lords are simply trying to send us out for a fight with one arm tied behind our backs. That's the point not the actual content.
