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Some Action Must Be Taken
After a terrorist attack, some people say that 'action must be taken', and that 'the West must wake up'.
These are abstracts - can anyone explain in (without the use of abstractions) what specifically they mean by 'action'.
These are abstracts - can anyone explain in (without the use of abstractions) what specifically they mean by 'action'.
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14:11 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
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Allen
so far we have seen endless Islamic Muslim attacks, this one included, they are indiscriminate and deadly, stop apologising for them. This is no knee jerk reaction, but as someone who was in the vicinity of the 7/7 i can safely say that i would arm all police, give our security services every power to root out these criminals.
so far we have seen endless Islamic Muslim attacks, this one included, they are indiscriminate and deadly, stop apologising for them. This is no knee jerk reaction, but as someone who was in the vicinity of the 7/7 i can safely say that i would arm all police, give our security services every power to root out these criminals.
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this wasn't really much of an attack, though people died. In days gone by an MP was blown up while leaving the Parliament car park. Today, all "terrorists" can do is drive a car into people on Westminster Bridge, which unfortunately anyone can do (and drunks occasionally do the same thing). What would be the next thing to do? Close all bridges? Close all roads? Ban all cars?
// Remember the mad Norwegian who killed so many young people on their island holiday a few years back? White, Christian, barmy, right-wing, loner. //
yeah I agree banning made norwegian white christian barmy loners is obviously gonna work ....
they're all faired haired right - so we can round up a few of them and deport them back to Norwegia or wherever it is they come from
yeah I agree banning made norwegian white christian barmy loners is obviously gonna work ....
they're all faired haired right - so we can round up a few of them and deport them back to Norwegia or wherever it is they come from
Emmie...we have not seen "endless" terrorists attack Europe is a huge geographical area, with many millions of people or residents.
The attack yesterday was the first such attack in Britain, for some while. We were told this morning, that the security forces have foiled over 20 similar attacks in Britain.
The attack yesterday was the first such attack in Britain, for some while. We were told this morning, that the security forces have foiled over 20 similar attacks in Britain.
At risk of sounding all "elitist"....
The elephant in the room here is that very, very few of us are really qualified to make a judgement about effective security policies. It could be that "banning muslims" (to take a common example) or forcibly closing mosques would reduce our risk of terror attacks to 0. It's equally plausible that it wouldn't, because people could just pretend not to be Muslims and then undertake an armed struggle against a government that persecutes them. Either one is complete speculation by people who are frightened and bereaved. Understandable - satisfying, even, because it lets us pretend we know how to make ourselves safe. But if we're being really honest with ourselves, we know it's not really actionable.
Obviously, though, it would also be pretty unreasonable to expect everyone to just keep quiet after an event like yesterday. So if we stick to what we know, and try to avoid speculating on what we don't know, what are we left with?
Unless you're willing to personally join the security services who actually combat and try to pre-empt these people - and who know more than any of us do at any given time - then, unfortunately, all we can really do is accept that the world is a slightly more dangerous place than it used to be, and try to factor that in when we make daily decisions about our safety. All of us know that every time we walk outside we run the small risk of being caught up in an atrocity. (You agree with this even if you think you don't - if you believed that the likelihood of this was more than slim, you would never under any circumstances leave your house). The only "action" any of us can seriously take is to factor this small risk in to how we go about our lives and try to be as cautious as is reasonable.
I know that isn't exciting or satisfying, but I think that's about all we've got.
The elephant in the room here is that very, very few of us are really qualified to make a judgement about effective security policies. It could be that "banning muslims" (to take a common example) or forcibly closing mosques would reduce our risk of terror attacks to 0. It's equally plausible that it wouldn't, because people could just pretend not to be Muslims and then undertake an armed struggle against a government that persecutes them. Either one is complete speculation by people who are frightened and bereaved. Understandable - satisfying, even, because it lets us pretend we know how to make ourselves safe. But if we're being really honest with ourselves, we know it's not really actionable.
Obviously, though, it would also be pretty unreasonable to expect everyone to just keep quiet after an event like yesterday. So if we stick to what we know, and try to avoid speculating on what we don't know, what are we left with?
Unless you're willing to personally join the security services who actually combat and try to pre-empt these people - and who know more than any of us do at any given time - then, unfortunately, all we can really do is accept that the world is a slightly more dangerous place than it used to be, and try to factor that in when we make daily decisions about our safety. All of us know that every time we walk outside we run the small risk of being caught up in an atrocity. (You agree with this even if you think you don't - if you believed that the likelihood of this was more than slim, you would never under any circumstances leave your house). The only "action" any of us can seriously take is to factor this small risk in to how we go about our lives and try to be as cautious as is reasonable.
I know that isn't exciting or satisfying, but I think that's about all we've got.
agree with Kromovaracun. I'm no more scared of terrorists than I am of being killed in a car accident; both are statistically very unlikely, and the thought has never stopped me getting in a car or walking on Westminster Bridge. I even climb ladders, though something like 50 people a year die falling off one.
Kromo - as so often, your point is succinct and well argued.
Persecuting Islamists simply underlines their perception that they are persecuted already, by the infidel West - it would simply make them more determined to kill as many of us as possible, hardly the result we are supposed to be looking for.
Persecuting Islamists simply underlines their perception that they are persecuted already, by the infidel West - it would simply make them more determined to kill as many of us as possible, hardly the result we are supposed to be looking for.
