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Is There Still A Need For This Expensive And Disruptive Exercise, In This Country?
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Perhaps in those countries that are not so acceptive to homosexuality, but surely there is now no longer need here?
Perhaps in those countries that are not so acceptive to homosexuality, but surely there is now no longer need here?
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“…wander to somewhere along the route of the march. You'll both be very welcome and have an excellent time. :o)” Two or three years ago I was unfortunate enough to be “somewhere along the route of the march”, not wandering but trying to go about my business. I’m not sure whether or not I was welcome (I would like to hope I was not). This was because my...
13:11 Sat 08th Jul 2017
I think anything large scale disrupts someone, part of the tolerance of our society is that we put up with a little inconvenience, so others can enjoy themselves.
I don't think it`s an exercise, and as jack has pointed out, it is a valuable revenue stream for local businesses.
About three times a year, vast swathes of Hanley town centre are closed so a bunch of guys on seriously fast bikes can wizz through on their way from somewhere to somewhere else.
They advise it in advance, everyone finds a different way home - no harm.
I don't think it`s an exercise, and as jack has pointed out, it is a valuable revenue stream for local businesses.
About three times a year, vast swathes of Hanley town centre are closed so a bunch of guys on seriously fast bikes can wizz through on their way from somewhere to somewhere else.
They advise it in advance, everyone finds a different way home - no harm.
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Ahh....I thought it was something else that chased Talbot away, Mamya....
Like what?
Seems you are once again having difficulty with comprehension?
Here's a brave woman who deserves a mention.
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Ahh....I thought it was something else that chased Talbot away, Mamya....
Like what?
Seems you are once again having difficulty with comprehension?
Here's a brave woman who deserves a mention.
https:/
I wasn't going to reply again to this thread but I have just seen the appalling accusations levelled at me and I thought I refute them to allow those responsible to apologise profusely.
"But what you are arguing is that people should be ashamed of being LGBT."
On the contrary, it is blatantly obvious that, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying not to do. I am saying one should accept one's flaws, and those of others for that matter and be ok with it. It is those who argue against me that are saying don't be ok about flaws but boast and be proud of them. We'll make out they are not flaws at all to make you feel comfortable with the deception rather than ok with reality.
"Of course I'm going to accuse you of disrespect in that case, because it's simply disrespectful and rude. No other description for it."
Of course pointing out truth is neither disrespectful nor rude. Accusing someone who is innocent of being disrespectful and rude of being so, is another matter. I would have thought better of you, you are above that sort of attack. I would have hoped that someone in the science field would be able to accept the basic details given, see the clear conclusion to be drawn from them as being correct. I'm somewhat confused with any response denying it. I don't know why one would do so, but it seems to me it's possible not getting the answer from the data that was desired so denying against the resultant conclusion.
"How odd, as everything OG has posted explains why they are necessary."
On the contrary they explain clearly why they are unnecessary and illogical. Newspeak ought not be used in the discussion. Some folk may feel offended by having it pointed out where they have erred, but everything I have posted, indicates this unnecessary nature.
"That is such a sad post, OG.....and equally sad that you are so willing to hurt people....
That's ill mannered and disrespectful.......x "
Yet again, on the contrary, nothing I have written shows any sign whatsoever in any shape or form of any willingness to hurt people. None of them were ill manner nor disrespectful simply because it made folk uncomfortable knowing the truth. What is hurtful, and a cause of me feeling I need to reply, is post like the one I've just quoted. I assume you must now be ashamed of abusing me so in writing it.
"OG....imagine a young teen being bullied, physically and mentally abused for being gay and looking on the Internet for help.
If he found AB and wanted to ask others for help and advice and saw that he was being talked about as some on here are doing.....saying he is flawed....should stay off the streets.....
Would you not be ashamed of yourself that you had added to a young lad's distress instead of helping someone? ""
One can be bullied for many reasons at school, being overweight maybe, being short sighted, being shy. We don't see Myopia Pride parades. Where do you see any post of mine saying they should stay off the streets ? Talk about hyperbole. We are simply discussing the need to have this annual parade. And as pointed out there is no need. As for being flawed, we all are flawed in some way or another, but it seems some like to deny theirs and find support for that denial by those unwilling to allow folk the peace of accepting themselves as they are.
Given that I would not have add a single iota of distress to any reasonable individual reading this thread there is clearly nothing to be ashamed of; but a lot to be ashamed of maliciously implying that I ought to be.
"But what you are arguing is that people should be ashamed of being LGBT."
On the contrary, it is blatantly obvious that, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying not to do. I am saying one should accept one's flaws, and those of others for that matter and be ok with it. It is those who argue against me that are saying don't be ok about flaws but boast and be proud of them. We'll make out they are not flaws at all to make you feel comfortable with the deception rather than ok with reality.
"Of course I'm going to accuse you of disrespect in that case, because it's simply disrespectful and rude. No other description for it."
Of course pointing out truth is neither disrespectful nor rude. Accusing someone who is innocent of being disrespectful and rude of being so, is another matter. I would have thought better of you, you are above that sort of attack. I would have hoped that someone in the science field would be able to accept the basic details given, see the clear conclusion to be drawn from them as being correct. I'm somewhat confused with any response denying it. I don't know why one would do so, but it seems to me it's possible not getting the answer from the data that was desired so denying against the resultant conclusion.
"How odd, as everything OG has posted explains why they are necessary."
On the contrary they explain clearly why they are unnecessary and illogical. Newspeak ought not be used in the discussion. Some folk may feel offended by having it pointed out where they have erred, but everything I have posted, indicates this unnecessary nature.
"That is such a sad post, OG.....and equally sad that you are so willing to hurt people....
That's ill mannered and disrespectful.......x "
Yet again, on the contrary, nothing I have written shows any sign whatsoever in any shape or form of any willingness to hurt people. None of them were ill manner nor disrespectful simply because it made folk uncomfortable knowing the truth. What is hurtful, and a cause of me feeling I need to reply, is post like the one I've just quoted. I assume you must now be ashamed of abusing me so in writing it.
"OG....imagine a young teen being bullied, physically and mentally abused for being gay and looking on the Internet for help.
If he found AB and wanted to ask others for help and advice and saw that he was being talked about as some on here are doing.....saying he is flawed....should stay off the streets.....
Would you not be ashamed of yourself that you had added to a young lad's distress instead of helping someone? ""
One can be bullied for many reasons at school, being overweight maybe, being short sighted, being shy. We don't see Myopia Pride parades. Where do you see any post of mine saying they should stay off the streets ? Talk about hyperbole. We are simply discussing the need to have this annual parade. And as pointed out there is no need. As for being flawed, we all are flawed in some way or another, but it seems some like to deny theirs and find support for that denial by those unwilling to allow folk the peace of accepting themselves as they are.
Given that I would not have add a single iota of distress to any reasonable individual reading this thread there is clearly nothing to be ashamed of; but a lot to be ashamed of maliciously implying that I ought to be.
Not going to read the whole thread but a couple of comments on a later post.
"3. There is nothing to celebrate.
Only works if you think the UK's extension of basic rights to its LGBT citizens is not worth celebrating. Which, unless you have a problem with LGBT people, it patently is."
Untrue. We are discussing whether this parade is necessary not whether someone has a right to hold one in general. This event has nothing to do with basic rights but in boasting of being attracted to the same gender; so the argument fails.
"4. Being gay is wrong/unnatural/a "flaw"
This is, fundamentally, what usually motivates people objecting to Pride. It's nonsense. because a) being gay it is not provably morally wrong b) homosexual/bisexual behaviour occurs in the natural world quite frequently c) it's only a flaw if you assume the only possible purpose in life is to breed. If you want to not breed (as I don't), being gay is a positive asset!"
Just looking at your last bit, whether you would find a flaw relevant or even a benefit doesn't change it's description. The reason any species exists is to make further generations of that species. Individuals can opt out if they wish. It's not about detriment/benefit to the individual, it is about species and what is right for that.
"3. There is nothing to celebrate.
Only works if you think the UK's extension of basic rights to its LGBT citizens is not worth celebrating. Which, unless you have a problem with LGBT people, it patently is."
Untrue. We are discussing whether this parade is necessary not whether someone has a right to hold one in general. This event has nothing to do with basic rights but in boasting of being attracted to the same gender; so the argument fails.
"4. Being gay is wrong/unnatural/a "flaw"
This is, fundamentally, what usually motivates people objecting to Pride. It's nonsense. because a) being gay it is not provably morally wrong b) homosexual/bisexual behaviour occurs in the natural world quite frequently c) it's only a flaw if you assume the only possible purpose in life is to breed. If you want to not breed (as I don't), being gay is a positive asset!"
Just looking at your last bit, whether you would find a flaw relevant or even a benefit doesn't change it's description. The reason any species exists is to make further generations of that species. Individuals can opt out if they wish. It's not about detriment/benefit to the individual, it is about species and what is right for that.
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You don't know what you're talking about, Old Geezer. Pride has everything to do with basic rights - most countries in the world de jure or de facto criminalise or marginalise gay people and effectively prevent them from being able to live their lives like equal citizens. The UK doesn't do that, and that's something worth celebrating. So no, the argument doesn't fail because it has everything to do with basic rights.
The only possible objection to the cause of Pride is objection to LGBT people. Which is fine, it's a free country. Just stop dancing around it.
//The reason any species exists is to make further generations of that species.//
Species do not have "purposes". The "reason" any of them exists is because previous members of that species have given birth to them. This is not the same as a purpose. The only way your argument works is if you think that reproduction is the only possible purpose to life, which is ridiculous because a) people can live for things other than having children b) the world is over-populated anyway.
The only possible objection to the cause of Pride is objection to LGBT people. Which is fine, it's a free country. Just stop dancing around it.
//The reason any species exists is to make further generations of that species.//
Species do not have "purposes". The "reason" any of them exists is because previous members of that species have given birth to them. This is not the same as a purpose. The only way your argument works is if you think that reproduction is the only possible purpose to life, which is ridiculous because a) people can live for things other than having children b) the world is over-populated anyway.
OG I'm happy to defend your right to stick to your guns but the fact is that they are, in some sense, guns. Describing homosexuality, or anything LGBT, as a flaw is offensive, mostly because it is inaccurate -- it's just a difference, not a flaw.
And the thing is, that the people who often would agree with you the most, at first, are LGBT people themselves. Why else do you think it's such a struggle to be open about it, which is still the case for many despite Pride events? It's because people see themselves as flawed, as somehow hurting people they know, letting them down, by being that way. It took a long time to tell my Mum about, eg the picture on the left -- and I still haven't got around to telling my Dad -- because I thought the truth would hurt her.
This is what the pride is about. If you describe it as a "flaw", then at least I hope you accept that it's not a flaw to be ashamed of. But people are all the same. The perfect -- the necessary -- counterbalance to that is to celebrate the truth of who we are. Pride events are about that.
Speaking of, I really ought to go to one of these one day.
And the thing is, that the people who often would agree with you the most, at first, are LGBT people themselves. Why else do you think it's such a struggle to be open about it, which is still the case for many despite Pride events? It's because people see themselves as flawed, as somehow hurting people they know, letting them down, by being that way. It took a long time to tell my Mum about, eg the picture on the left -- and I still haven't got around to telling my Dad -- because I thought the truth would hurt her.
This is what the pride is about. If you describe it as a "flaw", then at least I hope you accept that it's not a flaw to be ashamed of. But people are all the same. The perfect -- the necessary -- counterbalance to that is to celebrate the truth of who we are. Pride events are about that.
Speaking of, I really ought to go to one of these one day.
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