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Bullish May draws plan for ‘no deal’ and prepares to spend billions on new border controls to keep British trade flowing if Brussels talks fail
A dose of reality finally. There will be no deal, ask pretty much any leaver. One of the reasons many voted to leave was because they were fed up with the bullying and intransigent EU. Add to that all the 26 Nations will need to approve and a desire to punish us it and it's common sense that we will end up walking away.
Better to spend money shoring up our borders than pay for Junkers bar bill.
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A dose of reality finally. There will be no deal, ask pretty much any leaver. One of the reasons many voted to leave was because they were fed up with the bullying and intransigent EU. Add to that all the 26 Nations will need to approve and a desire to punish us it and it's common sense that we will end up walking away.
Better to spend money shoring up our borders than pay for Junkers bar bill.
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// However the EU have not justified the figure at all. It is pulled out the hat. //
Ymb, can to point me to where the UK have justified their €20billion figure?
The UK have deliberately offered far less than is due and then do not seem to want to budge from that. It is the UK side that does not want to negotiate.
// Prime Minister Theresa May is reportedly preparing to offer the EU a €20 billion divorce bill in her key Brexit speech on Friday after Boris Johnson backed down from his threat to resign from the cabinet.
Although falling far short of EU expectations, the government hopes that this offer will restart progress in the stalled Brexit negotiations, and allow talks to move onto a future relationship between the UK and EU before the end of the year.
The EU has previously suggested that the UK would owe about €60 billion after Brexit, but the offer from the government would be seen as progress.
One EU diplomat told the Financial Times: "We will at least have something to talk about, but it is not where the landing zone is." //
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Ymb, can to point me to where the UK have justified their €20billion figure?
The UK have deliberately offered far less than is due and then do not seem to want to budge from that. It is the UK side that does not want to negotiate.
// Prime Minister Theresa May is reportedly preparing to offer the EU a €20 billion divorce bill in her key Brexit speech on Friday after Boris Johnson backed down from his threat to resign from the cabinet.
Although falling far short of EU expectations, the government hopes that this offer will restart progress in the stalled Brexit negotiations, and allow talks to move onto a future relationship between the UK and EU before the end of the year.
The EU has previously suggested that the UK would owe about €60 billion after Brexit, but the offer from the government would be seen as progress.
One EU diplomat told the Financial Times: "We will at least have something to talk about, but it is not where the landing zone is." //
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//Prime Minister Theresa May is reportedly preparing to offer the EU a €20 billion divorce bill in her key Brexit speech on Friday //
With a full costing and explanation of, from where, the "figures" were derived.
//The EU has previously suggested that the UK would owe about €60 billion after Brexit,//
When asked for an explanation of where this figure came from, with an opportunity for the UK to be given a right to check the accountancy, the EUSSR promptly declined.
That is basically the thing in a nutshell. Pull the rug from under their feet and look to fresh, and honest, horizons.
With a full costing and explanation of, from where, the "figures" were derived.
//The EU has previously suggested that the UK would owe about €60 billion after Brexit,//
When asked for an explanation of where this figure came from, with an opportunity for the UK to be given a right to check the accountancy, the EUSSR promptly declined.
That is basically the thing in a nutshell. Pull the rug from under their feet and look to fresh, and honest, horizons.
If we do not agree a political settlement ourselves with the EU, we will have to go to the International Court of Arbitration in the Hague.
And the judgement may not be to our liking, but will be binding. Even Theresa May isn't so stupid as to go down that route. The talks may well stall, but we will reach an agreement before March 2019.
And the judgement may not be to our liking, but will be binding. Even Theresa May isn't so stupid as to go down that route. The talks may well stall, but we will reach an agreement before March 2019.
Gromit, //If we do not agree a political settlement ourselves with the EU, we will have to go to the International Court of Arbitration in the Hague. //
Where did you get that from? That organisation deals with international commercial disputes, not political issues, and its headquarters is in Paris.
Where did you get that from? That organisation deals with international commercial disputes, not political issues, and its headquarters is in Paris.
Tora,
The UK is a member of the International Court of Arbitration, and so is the EU. The Court settles disputes between members all over the world. It is not an EU organisation, it is worldwide.
But as I say, no one in their right mind would Brexit without a deal, so the Judges in the Netherlands won't be needed. A deal will be agreed.
The UK is a member of the International Court of Arbitration, and so is the EU. The Court settles disputes between members all over the world. It is not an EU organisation, it is worldwide.
But as I say, no one in their right mind would Brexit without a deal, so the Judges in the Netherlands won't be needed. A deal will be agreed.
Naomi,
I have got my Courts in a muddle.
// Could we walk away without paying a Brexit ‘divorce bill’?
The Lords’ EU Financial Affairs Committee reports that the “strictly legal position of the UK on this issue appears to be strong”. If negotiators fail to agree on a political financial settlement, it could become a legal case in the International Court of Justice or the Permanent Court of Arbitration, both located in The Hague. The result of such a court case would be hard to predict. However there have been suggestions that this international arbitration solution would be preferable to a political settlement. //
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I have got my Courts in a muddle.
// Could we walk away without paying a Brexit ‘divorce bill’?
The Lords’ EU Financial Affairs Committee reports that the “strictly legal position of the UK on this issue appears to be strong”. If negotiators fail to agree on a political financial settlement, it could become a legal case in the International Court of Justice or the Permanent Court of Arbitration, both located in The Hague. The result of such a court case would be hard to predict. However there have been suggestions that this international arbitration solution would be preferable to a political settlement. //
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Anyone in their right mind won't be forced into a bad deal because of intransigence from the other side, so will may effectively be forced into a no deal Brexit; and just be glad to be out out the situation. Whether there's a trade deal depends on the EU coming to its senses. Meanwhile it's reputation drops further each day.
//Using political power to try to bully nations//
OG, this is basically an extremely melodramatic way of describing simple politics. In fact, pretty unexceptional politics. Unless the EU starts conducting itself in a criminal manner, nobody is going to listen if the UK cries foul about "bullying". The world has bigger problems than the UK putting itself in a weak political position and then moaning about it.
OG, this is basically an extremely melodramatic way of describing simple politics. In fact, pretty unexceptional politics. Unless the EU starts conducting itself in a criminal manner, nobody is going to listen if the UK cries foul about "bullying". The world has bigger problems than the UK putting itself in a weak political position and then moaning about it.
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