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The Head of the Hunt said; "It's magnificent that so many well-wishers make such a huge effort to get here to show their support."
Do you think it is "magnificent"? Are you a "supporter"?
The Head of the Hunt said; "It's magnificent that so many well-wishers make such a huge effort to get here to show their support."
Do you think it is "magnificent"? Are you a "supporter"?
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I would like to add one other aspect to the fox-hunting scene.
When I lived in the Cotswolds, an aged neighbour who was a keen gardener, his garden contained, lawn, flower beds and vegetables, was in his garden playing with his 5 and 6 year old grandchildren when a fox being chased by hounds entered seeking shelter, resulting in the chaos of dogs and horses and the devastation of his garden.
The hunt-master told him that they would pay for the damage.
He wrote to the local paper saying the destruction was not the main issue, it was that the children had been terrified and deeply shocked by watching a fox screaming as it was torn to pieces right before their eyes in their grandfather's garden.
When I lived in the Cotswolds, an aged neighbour who was a keen gardener, his garden contained, lawn, flower beds and vegetables, was in his garden playing with his 5 and 6 year old grandchildren when a fox being chased by hounds entered seeking shelter, resulting in the chaos of dogs and horses and the devastation of his garden.
The hunt-master told him that they would pay for the damage.
He wrote to the local paper saying the destruction was not the main issue, it was that the children had been terrified and deeply shocked by watching a fox screaming as it was torn to pieces right before their eyes in their grandfather's garden.
Hunting (of foxes with hounds) is a ridiculous anachronism that has no place in civilised 21st century society - it panders to blood lust and a nasty cruel streak in the hunters that just cannot be excused by the 'fun' they are having.
It's interesting that all the eyewash about 'pest control' and 'vermin' only started to be used as a defence when the Hunts were coming under serious pressure of being banned - before that it was entirely about "Good Sport" and the "The Thrill of the Chase". Hypocritical trimming and slipperiness of the first water.
It's interesting that all the eyewash about 'pest control' and 'vermin' only started to be used as a defence when the Hunts were coming under serious pressure of being banned - before that it was entirely about "Good Sport" and the "The Thrill of the Chase". Hypocritical trimming and slipperiness of the first water.
I abhor all forms of animal cruelty most of which is done in secret and usually, when taken to task, the perpetrator denies it.
What turns my stomach about fox hunting is the attitude of the hunters.....and the hunt followers.
The mindset of anyone who revels in drawing attraction to their cruelty by dressing up...blowing horns....blooding (this still happens) and riding roughshod over anyone who gets in their way is incomprehensible to me......
It's a strange and frightening person who wants their cruelty applauded.....
And as for the poor souls who take part as foot followers.......it's reminiscent of the days of the peasants kowtowing to the gentry and pretty pathetic.....
DTC......I suggest you look at 237's link....read it...all of it.
What turns my stomach about fox hunting is the attitude of the hunters.....and the hunt followers.
The mindset of anyone who revels in drawing attraction to their cruelty by dressing up...blowing horns....blooding (this still happens) and riding roughshod over anyone who gets in their way is incomprehensible to me......
It's a strange and frightening person who wants their cruelty applauded.....
And as for the poor souls who take part as foot followers.......it's reminiscent of the days of the peasants kowtowing to the gentry and pretty pathetic.....
DTC......I suggest you look at 237's link....read it...all of it.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see that "I don't like it" is a good reason to have something banned. Something should only be banned if there is a genuine reason or social purpose for it. All I'm hearing as justification for the ban is that fox hunting makes people uncomfortable and they feel the people who do it are somehow deficient or barbaric.
So what if it's cruel to animals? So what if the people who do it are nasty or unlikable or whatever? Why does that become a problem for the government all of a sudden? What difference does it make to outlaw "ripping foxes apart" (boo hoo) with hunting dogs, and not whatever else is able to rip them apart or infect them with disease or maim them in nature? Pigeon culling is cruel to the pigeons, but nobody gets up in arms about them because they aren't cute and foxes are.
So what if it's cruel to animals? So what if the people who do it are nasty or unlikable or whatever? Why does that become a problem for the government all of a sudden? What difference does it make to outlaw "ripping foxes apart" (boo hoo) with hunting dogs, and not whatever else is able to rip them apart or infect them with disease or maim them in nature? Pigeon culling is cruel to the pigeons, but nobody gets up in arms about them because they aren't cute and foxes are.
Is foxhunting banned?
Yes, it is, so I don't see much point discussing that. If it's taking place then it's illegal.
The OP revolved around the statement "It's magnificent that so many well-wishers make such a huge effort to get here to show their support." ... Do you think it is "magnificent"? Are you a "supporter"?
Is what magnificent? Supporter of what?
If "what" is "getting all dressed up and riding out with hounds", then each to their own - there's little harm in it these days. It used to be the case that between 21,000 and 25,000 foxes were killed by hunts each year in the UK. I don't know what it is now, does anybody? A lot less, anyway. I also don't know if that many foxes are now killed by other means. Again, does anybody? If not, that hundreds of thousands of poor other creatures being ripped apart by foxes every year ...
Yes, it is, so I don't see much point discussing that. If it's taking place then it's illegal.
The OP revolved around the statement "It's magnificent that so many well-wishers make such a huge effort to get here to show their support." ... Do you think it is "magnificent"? Are you a "supporter"?
Is what magnificent? Supporter of what?
If "what" is "getting all dressed up and riding out with hounds", then each to their own - there's little harm in it these days. It used to be the case that between 21,000 and 25,000 foxes were killed by hunts each year in the UK. I don't know what it is now, does anybody? A lot less, anyway. I also don't know if that many foxes are now killed by other means. Again, does anybody? If not, that hundreds of thousands of poor other creatures being ripped apart by foxes every year ...
Islay
//Firstly I never said I enjoyed hunting I said i had been on several hunts - different thing entirely - I actually enjoy the ride!//
But it just happened on a ride that was chasing a fox with a view to tearing it to pieces? Yeah right!
//The only fox I have seen killed was unfortunately got to before the master of the hunt got to it.//
Oh dear that is unfortunate. Must have really spoilt the day...the fox been got at before the hunt could kill it eh?
//As for being locked up in jail that is your opinion nailit// Mine and quiet a few others I should imagine. Actually, I would personally wish far worse on people who are so deranged as to gain pleasure from the torture, suffering and death of animals.
//As for the other points thrown at me please let me know if I have missed anything out.//
No that is all thank you. You have quiet adequately shown yourself for the awful person that you are!
//Firstly I never said I enjoyed hunting I said i had been on several hunts - different thing entirely - I actually enjoy the ride!//
But it just happened on a ride that was chasing a fox with a view to tearing it to pieces? Yeah right!
//The only fox I have seen killed was unfortunately got to before the master of the hunt got to it.//
Oh dear that is unfortunate. Must have really spoilt the day...the fox been got at before the hunt could kill it eh?
//As for being locked up in jail that is your opinion nailit// Mine and quiet a few others I should imagine. Actually, I would personally wish far worse on people who are so deranged as to gain pleasure from the torture, suffering and death of animals.
//As for the other points thrown at me please let me know if I have missed anything out.//
No that is all thank you. You have quiet adequately shown yourself for the awful person that you are!
You don’t need to be a scientist to know that chasing a mammal, often to the point of exhaustion and allowing a pack of dogs to rip it apart, in the name of ‘sport’, is inhumane.
A study of post-mortem examinations of foxes killed by hounds above ground undermined this claim, indicating that the animals died from profound trauma inflicted by multiple dog bites rather than a ‘quick bite to the neck’.
The study showed that in many cases foxes are disembowelled first. The Burns report also concluded that hunting with dogs causes animal suffering both during the latter stages of the chase and at the kill....
Many behavioural experts believe that viewing blood sports on a regular basis has a negative effect on the mind and promotes violent behaviour in people. It has been observed that children who are exposed to violence at a tender age grow up to be insensitive towards animals and humans. They are forced to accept these events as a harsh reality of life and this affects their brain development on a large-scale. It has been found that such children turn out to be bullies and often indulge in violent behaviour. Many studies have found a direct link between animal abuse and domestic violence.'
A study of post-mortem examinations of foxes killed by hounds above ground undermined this claim, indicating that the animals died from profound trauma inflicted by multiple dog bites rather than a ‘quick bite to the neck’.
The study showed that in many cases foxes are disembowelled first. The Burns report also concluded that hunting with dogs causes animal suffering both during the latter stages of the chase and at the kill....
Many behavioural experts believe that viewing blood sports on a regular basis has a negative effect on the mind and promotes violent behaviour in people. It has been observed that children who are exposed to violence at a tender age grow up to be insensitive towards animals and humans. They are forced to accept these events as a harsh reality of life and this affects their brain development on a large-scale. It has been found that such children turn out to be bullies and often indulge in violent behaviour. Many studies have found a direct link between animal abuse and domestic violence.'
Eccles; As it says in the text in the third paragraph, it is from The Burns Report.
There are many reports and references to the effects on children (and adults) witnessing cruelty and violence to animals, here's one;
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There are many reports and references to the effects on children (and adults) witnessing cruelty and violence to animals, here's one;
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Typical ad hominem attack Islay from a blood sport lover. I asked yesterday at 22:52 for someone to explain to me just how someone could derive pleasure from seeing an animal been ripped apart. You declined to answer but will see fit to bring up my mistakes in an attempt to justify your own barbaric practices. Pathetic.
> the offence is the illegal killing of foxes whilst pretending to uphold a tradition
That would by definition be an offence.
But the person who said "It's magnificent that so many well-wishers make such a huge effort to get here to show their support" wasn't the Head of the Hunt in which a fox was killed. He was chairman of the Warwickshire hunt, which met at Upton House, near Banbury. The hunt in which the fox was killed (and which is being investigated) is the Great Thurlow Hunt, in Suffolk. So in saying what he said, which is what the OP refers to, the chairman of the Warwickshire hunt wasn't referring to a fox being killed, he was talking about the tradition ...
That would by definition be an offence.
But the person who said "It's magnificent that so many well-wishers make such a huge effort to get here to show their support" wasn't the Head of the Hunt in which a fox was killed. He was chairman of the Warwickshire hunt, which met at Upton House, near Banbury. The hunt in which the fox was killed (and which is being investigated) is the Great Thurlow Hunt, in Suffolk. So in saying what he said, which is what the OP refers to, the chairman of the Warwickshire hunt wasn't referring to a fox being killed, he was talking about the tradition ...
