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mushroom25 | 11:10 Sun 31st Dec 2017 | News
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5223641/Hampstead-ladies-say-swimming-pond-not-gender-fluid.html

since it's becoming increasingly accepted that gender is less about chromosomes, appearance or reproductive ability but more a matter of state of mind not necessarily requiring reassignment intervention (and the gender recognition act 2004 is likely to be amended to reflect this), are the "X-X" denizens of the Kenwood Ladies Pond Association being a tad unreasonable?
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//Predictably, the left has vehemently denied that such a thing would ever happen—or worse, that this is a price we must pay for “inclusivity” and “equality.”//

Oh that is already happening dave50.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5-times-transgender-men-abused-women-and-children-amanda-prestigiacomo
Or.
//A list of 21 reported cases of women being sexually assaulted by transgender men has been compiled by FRC – incidents that span from 1999 to 2017 – with the most of the incidents occurring in women’s restrooms, locker rooms and other private spaces taking place within the past decade.//

https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/02/18/21-women-assaulted-by-transgenders-in-restrooms
Yeah do you have any credible sources Togo other than a right wing rag and a Pro Christian hate paper!
//“A recent case at my old university, the University of East Anglia where they have gender-neutral toilets, discovered that a man was using that to harass women in those facilities, and has been convicted on charges. Could she make some comment about that issue and how we protect women from male violence in gender-neutral environments?”//

Caroline Flint former Labour MP. Reported "Pink News"
She did of course come under immense pressure to retract her concern. :))
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/12/01/labour-mp-caroline-flint-claims-trans-friendly-toilets-are-dangerous-for-women/
dave50

You've made up a hypothetical situation, and then asked what will happen if that situation occurs.

Here's your answer...

If man wants to rape or sexually assault a woman, the most difficult route he will take would be to do it in a women's toilet.

The easiest route is the option he currently has, which is to grab a woman off the streets.

Just think about it for a moment. A man who claims to be a woman goes into the toilets of a club, right?

He would stand out like a sore thumb. There would be countless witnesses. Women who go to the loo would come out and say, "Blimey...I've never gone to a toilet where there's been a transexual before".

What you would have is witnesses. And someone who is that noticeable would have many eyes on him. That equals witnesses.

That's what would happen in real life. Your hypothetical situation is so very unlikely to happen that it can be discounted.

If a man is going to sexually assault a woman, he's not going to want an audience who will notice him.

It's a daft supposition.
sp, Caroline Flint didn't make up a hypothetical situation.
naomi24

You should read what she was referring to.

It's nothing to do with transgendered men using women's facilities to assault women.

Nothing...at...all.
From the article

Labour MP Caroline Flint today intervened in a debate about transgender equality to claim that gender-neutral toilets put women at risk.
So at risk from 'normal men' then not transgender!
sp, I did read what she was referring to - gender neutral toilets - those that accommodate women as well as people other than women.
Islay, //So at risk from 'normal men' then not transgender! //

How do you know women face no risk from men claiming to be transgender? I wouldn't want to guarantee it.
naomi you were suggesting that the link back up your theory - it doesn't!
You don't have any evidence that women are at risk though either do you?
Makes you wonder then why "Pink News" were getting their knickers in a twist about Caroline Flint making comment then surely?
Islay, my theory is that women are safer using women only toilets - and Caroline Flint's experience certainly backs that theory.
OK naomi
It would be interesting to get stats on other countries that share toilets.
naomi24

Abd what we are talking about here is female toilets being used by trans women.

The two are not the same.

With the former, you will have lots and lots of men and women using the facilities.

With the latter, the chances of ever seeing a trans woman is miniascule.

And my point remains the same...if a trans woman is really some creep bloke who wants to spy on women, or assault them - in a female changing room, or toilets, he will stick out like a sore thumb, and will be easily identifiable.
Just to clear up another point.........all you ladies, who it seems are to be forced to share mixed or trans friendly loos, would you, be A. More Worried. B. Less Worried. C. Indifferent., if the "male" visitor was dressed in traditional Muslim garb?
And it begins...
sp, //if a trans woman is really some creep bloke who wants to spy on women, or assault them - in a female changing room, or toilets, he will stick out like a sore thumb, and will be easily identifiable. //

How? I can think of one of two transgender people who look nothing like women. They'd stick out like a sore thumb too, so how would you tell the genuine from the creep?
Togo, there's a thought.
Oh seriously!!
What a load of tripe!

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