The Will Of The People ?

[Canary42]

I wonder how many of the democracy-loving Brextremists will review this with their usual blinkers well in place.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britons-want-another-eu-referendum-say-government-bungling-brexit-negotiations-131308791.html

[Zacs-Master]

Why are you incapable of debate without insult, Torah? It does nothing for the validity of your arguments calling people VB and dum(sp).

[Garaman]

Wouldn't it be 'capisci' in Italian?

[ToraToraTora]

what insult? you don't debate you just keep saying the same thing over and over without acknowledging obvious counter arguments.

[ToraToraTora]

anyway I'd have thought VB would be a compliment to someone who is determined to collaborate with a foriegn power at the expense of his own nation. VB is merely the correct name.

[Kromovaracun]

It isn't a case of 'the EU having a stick and us having a stick.' In the absence of a free trade deal, we revert to the mutual tariff regime as laid out under WTO. That's not good news for us. It's also not particularly good news for EU member states that trade with us - but they enjoy the benefits of trading with their closest neighbours and the EU's newest trade partners (Canada/Japan) under free trade rules. In a no-deal scenario, we won't have that until we arrange it - which will take years, probably decades.

[Kromovaracun]

//you just keep saying the same thing over and over without acknowledging obvious counter arguments.//

You haven't actually acknowledged his point. You don't even seem to fundamentally understand the situation he is describing.

[Zacs-Master]

The insults I’ve highlighted. If I didn’t acknowledge other arguments, I wouldn’t be putting my own fact based answers to them, so that point is nonsensical.
Do you have anything to say about my pointing out that your statement about ‘sticks’ is incorrect, by way of me explaining about tariffs?

Here’s another small fact for you to digest:
Without further negotiation, the UK’s trade in services with the EU will be governed by the WTO General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS).
If the UK does trade under the GATS agreement, then our market access will be far more limited than it is currently. A side effect of this would that companies may find that it has they have to comply with the rules of a foreign regulatory authority.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM seems to think we have no responses available to counter the EUSSR I am merely saying we do. ZM has such a low opinion of us that he thinks we should lay down and let the EUSSR do what it wants, I don't.

[Zacs-Master]

Thanks Krom. Torah’s ‘nailing jelly to a wall9 comment is one of his standard replies when he’s paptently out of his depth.

[Zacs-Master]

That’s a complete and utter non sequitur, Torah. I’m not a fan of the EU, as I have stated several times and I do not believe we should let them do as they please (and I don’t think we will) but a no deal scenario means we would be virtually doing just that.

Do you have any comprehension of the points I have been making, or are you just going to come out with your standard cliched, unfounded rhetoric which only serves to demonstrate your lack of comprehension?

[ToraToraTora]

so there is noting we can do we must allow ourselves to be Butt *&^%ed on prime time TV? right oh ZM!

[ToraToraTora]

I understand all of your points. Do you comprehend mine?

[Jackdaw33]

Does your misspelling of Tora as Torah have any significance?

[Zacs-Master]

You haven’t made any points as far as I can see. Apart from something about sticks which I responded to with my tariff post, as did another poster.

What your ‘prime TV’ point is about requires more than a little explanation.

[Zacs-Master]

If you understand all my points, you’ll easily be able to respond with fact based counter arguments challenging each of my points about tariffs, WTO rules, GATS and their impact upon our economy.

But it seems you’d rather just post cliches and insults.

[ToraToraTora]

I'll let kromo work it out for you.

[Zacs-Master]

More waffly attempts at an insult and no facts, I see.

Do you have any challenges to the points I made or did we reach your comprehension limit some time ago. I think your cliches and insults prove we did.

[ToraToraTora]

see above, you have no points you simply regurgitate known data. All I'm saying is that we are not helpless we have responses available to us. Is your opinion of the UK so low that you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that.?

[Zacs-Master]

My opinion of the UK is very high. Of its politicians....less so. But my opinion is irrelevant and I’m not sure why you’ve brought it up.

I would have thought you would have used the options which are available to us as counter arguments to mine. Would you care to further the debate by explaining those options to us?

[ToraToraTora]

I said it x N above and on lots of other threads.