What Are Your Thoughts On This?

[cassa333]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-46634595/should-the-nhs-pay-for-transgender-fertility-treatment

My belief is that no. They should not pay for transgender fertility treatment.

[Mamyalynne]

It's not Rockrose who need to have a long look at herself Theland - it's you, calling other people freaks and using disgusting schoolboy humour on a news discussion.

Think about it.

[sherrardk]

Some people are really quite vile, why can’t posters discuss the topic without being some horrible about other people they haven’t met (either other posters or members of the transgender community)?

[Khandro]

Long live disgusting schoolboy humour ! :0)

[Theland]

She called me selfish?
Justify?
Am I?

[Theland]

Mamya - Thought about it.
Yes they are freaks!

[237SJ]

I don't see why they should be treated differently to anyone else who wants kids TBH (that's if one agrees that the NHS should pay for it which is another story)

[sherrardk]

And you called her a very stupid old biddy. However, you do sound selfish as you have your children - very ‘I’m alright Jack’.

[Mamyalynne]

How to ruin a decent topic for discussion in simple stages.

Well done again Theland.

[Theland]

But selfish? How? Did I ask somebody else to foot the bill?
Justify your insane comments or shut up!

[-Talbot-]

Time for an AB break, Theland. (just a thought)

[sherrardk]

Sorry cassa for your post going awry. Theland, you are selfish because you already have something that someone else desperately wants, maybe you would feel differently if you and your wife had been unable to conceive. And I am an adult and I will not be told to shut up by a bigoted, blinkered, alleged Christian or anyone else.

[Theland]

Mamya - How?
Standing up for myself by defending myself from groundless accusations and insults?
I am well able to give as good as I get!
Do these posters think I am a stupid shrinking violet?
I got called SELFISH for having children that I funded!
Are people with less children than me us a LITTLE BIT selfish then?
Crazy logic and damned insulting from that dried up old biddy!

[Rockrose]

For your information I am neither dried up, old or a biddy

[Theland]

Well your brain seems desiccated.

[237SJ]

You know what they say (when you do those Corporate training courses) Critisize the behaviour but not the person.

[Cloverjo]

Theland//I just have a conservative bias towards [...] 2.4 children, or whatever is needed to maintain our population//

I thinks that's the problem, Theland.

[Kromovaracun]

Obviously one individual pregnancy is not going to count for anything re: population growth. But it's a question of policy. The upshot of publicly funding fertility treatments in general is that there will be more births than there would be otherwise. We do need to make some kind of decision about what our attitude to parenthood is going to be in circumstances of overpopulation (and in particular of increasing the birthrate in carbon-heavy economies). The question of publicly funded fertility treatments can't be answered without it. If you think that having children is a fundamental right (and what could be a more basic right?) then it's pretty hard to argue against it as a justifiable policy. If you don't, then it becomes significantly harder to defend.

As I said before, if you're in favour of fertility treatments being publicly funded in principle, it's very difficult to see why trans people should not be eligible (other than sheer bigotry, of course). But that is a big 'if' and begs a more interesting question about what our attitudes to parenthood should be.

[gness]

Of course this treatment should be available. If we are prepared for those of us who over eat, drink to excess, smoke, take drugs, drive without care, take little care of our bodies to receive treatment when needed, why begrudge a treatment that can bring happiness?

[Rockrose]

As you say kromo if it’s available on the NHS then it should be available to all

[cassa333]

Now now everybody, let’s not all get too excited.

Theland you should be more respectful of the discussion. You don’t have to agree with anything that’s said but you just went off on a bit of a silly but vile nonetheless squidge and I think you should just keep to the topic.

I believe the NHS can’t afford to fund fertility treatment along with elective ’feelgood’ cosmetic surgery. Obviously there are some instances of a real need such as after serious accident and such like but ‘I feel bad about myself so give me a boob job/nose job/tummy tuck or whatever’ should be knocked on the head.

Mind you I also believe the NHS needs serious reform. But that’s another thread lol