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"ashamed of the labour party" - enough said!
"ashamed of the labour party" - enough said!
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The Brexit Bill does not, however, ensure continuing membership of the Single Market, Customs Union, or other international Treaties, all of which cease to apply on exit day. It's also important to note that far more legislation is needed than just the Withdrawal Act you mention.
All of this may yet be academic.
All of this may yet be academic.
//with nothing decided on what will replace them//
Methinks that you need to bone up a little on international trade law Jim. Not least the WTO regulations that the rest of the world seem to find more than adequate for their needs. America, China, Australia, Brazil, Japan, Indeed everyone but the EUSSR seems to find them more than adequate without the meddling bureaucratic slush funds operated by the pyramid scheme EUSSR.
Methinks that you need to bone up a little on international trade law Jim. Not least the WTO regulations that the rest of the world seem to find more than adequate for their needs. America, China, Australia, Brazil, Japan, Indeed everyone but the EUSSR seems to find them more than adequate without the meddling bureaucratic slush funds operated by the pyramid scheme EUSSR.
“It's generally held that MPs have three duties, and the duty to their party is third -- behind constituents and country.”
Except that Mr Blair blew the gaffe shortly after the 1997 election when he announced that the duty of Labour MPs was not to represent their constituents’ interests at Westminster but to promote the Labour government’s views in their constituencies. That is, “We know what’s best for you and we’re going to let you know that we know.”
“The overwhelming amount of opinion and research supports the idea that a No Deal Brexit, particularly one that is "sprung" on the UK with no meaningful chance to prepare for it,…”
But it hasn’t been “sprung” on the UK. By the end of next month the country will have had 33 months to prepare for it. It is scarcely the fault of the electorate that government ineptitude has failed to make adequate preparations which should have begun in June 2016.
Yes a no-deal Brexit will be messy and inconvenient – for both sides. But it will concentrate the minds of politicians to put in place sensible replacement arrangements. Any other sort of withdrawal with open-ended continuation of existing arrangements will be far more messy in the long term. People need to look beyond the end of next month because, whatever is said, the world will not fall in on 30th March.
Except that Mr Blair blew the gaffe shortly after the 1997 election when he announced that the duty of Labour MPs was not to represent their constituents’ interests at Westminster but to promote the Labour government’s views in their constituencies. That is, “We know what’s best for you and we’re going to let you know that we know.”
“The overwhelming amount of opinion and research supports the idea that a No Deal Brexit, particularly one that is "sprung" on the UK with no meaningful chance to prepare for it,…”
But it hasn’t been “sprung” on the UK. By the end of next month the country will have had 33 months to prepare for it. It is scarcely the fault of the electorate that government ineptitude has failed to make adequate preparations which should have begun in June 2016.
Yes a no-deal Brexit will be messy and inconvenient – for both sides. But it will concentrate the minds of politicians to put in place sensible replacement arrangements. Any other sort of withdrawal with open-ended continuation of existing arrangements will be far more messy in the long term. People need to look beyond the end of next month because, whatever is said, the world will not fall in on 30th March.
// I am of the mind that every MP who has left their party after being elected under false pretences //
we ve had this before but hey this is Ab so we can repeat it as often as there is a daily brexit thread ....
MPs are representatives and not delegates ( yeah wot dey den?)
You vote for a candidate and NOT a party - if this is news to you then like Nigh I am glad to educate you - and so a by-election is irrelevant
BUT in the good old days - last done in 1840 - if a minister resigned, then he underwent a by-election to show he retained the confidence of HIS electorate
and ministers may be surcharged if the audit committee didnt like them. one of the Banks ( which ever one was a minister)[ Kingston Lacy and all that jazz Banks - one of them] had to pay £1200 in 1803 as a result of examination of his time as a minister. time to bring that one back.
so by-election *** in my opinion
we ve had this before but hey this is Ab so we can repeat it as often as there is a daily brexit thread ....
MPs are representatives and not delegates ( yeah wot dey den?)
You vote for a candidate and NOT a party - if this is news to you then like Nigh I am glad to educate you - and so a by-election is irrelevant
BUT in the good old days - last done in 1840 - if a minister resigned, then he underwent a by-election to show he retained the confidence of HIS electorate
and ministers may be surcharged if the audit committee didnt like them. one of the Banks ( which ever one was a minister)[ Kingston Lacy and all that jazz Banks - one of them] had to pay £1200 in 1803 as a result of examination of his time as a minister. time to bring that one back.
so by-election *** in my opinion
// “It's generally held that MPs have three duties, and the duty to their party is third -- behind constituents and country.” //
times change judgie-baby
it should be
“It's generally held that MPs have three duties, and any other duty comes behind expenses, constituents and country.”
ter daaah
actually one duty but hell ....
times change judgie-baby
it should be
“It's generally held that MPs have three duties, and any other duty comes behind expenses, constituents and country.”
ter daaah
actually one duty but hell ....
Of course, the fact that most of the world chases free trade deals where possible should be a clue, Togo, that WTO rules are *not* perfectly fine. It's a curious tactic of Brexit supporters to insist that they are whilst at the same time saying that it will be "easy" to get something better. Hence why Japan recently signed and entered a free trade deal with the EU; hence why Mexico, the US, and Canada formed NAFTA -- and even Trump's efforts to renegotiate the terms of this deal still very much kept the US inside it; and so on.
I'm not going to claim to be an expert on world trade agreements but, I mean, please -- you're wrong at even the most basic level of analysis, Togo. Brexit supporters themselves no it, which is why they regard No deal as a "threat" to be used to secure something better, and not as an objective to be enthusiastically pursued.
I'm not going to claim to be an expert on world trade agreements but, I mean, please -- you're wrong at even the most basic level of analysis, Togo. Brexit supporters themselves no it, which is why they regard No deal as a "threat" to be used to secure something better, and not as an objective to be enthusiastically pursued.
// Brexit supporters themselves no it, which is why they regard No deal as a "threat" to be used to secure something better, and not as an objective to be enthusiastically pursued. //sic
Wrong again Jim.....every Brexiteer including most of the ones who give an opinion here on the Bank, that I know or speak with wants a no deal Brexit. A deal was not on the Referendum paper. "Deals" for ideals was a ploy cooked up, and since used as a tactic, by the Remainiacs that could not accept the democratic decision taken by the electorate.
Wrong again Jim.....every Brexiteer including most of the ones who give an opinion here on the Bank, that I know or speak with wants a no deal Brexit. A deal was not on the Referendum paper. "Deals" for ideals was a ploy cooked up, and since used as a tactic, by the Remainiacs that could not accept the democratic decision taken by the electorate.
Boris Johnson himself has said a “chaotic no deal” would be very bad but his idea is that the UK and EU would simply agree at the last minute to retain the no tariff arrangement we already have. The problem with that, even if it happened which seems unlikely, is that the UK would have to do the same with all other WTO members. Which is much of the world. Being a member of the WTO and trading by its rules are not necessarily the same thing because as Jim implied the rules are basically crap: their safety standards etc are not universally recognised for example, certainly not by the EU, and they don’t apply to the service sector (finance, air travel etc basically anything not grown or manufactured); they are what you fall back on if you haven’t got trade deals.
Most world trade is not done that way but it’s what the UK will be stuck with until and while it negotiates trade deals with the rest of the world. Trade deals are complicated things and much easier to do when you’re part of a larger trading bloc (“back of the queue” anyone?).
The independent economic predictions for the UK under a no deal Brexit are eye-wateringly dire. That’s why UK politics is in crisis now as politicians on both sides reject the apparent sleepwalk to the above scenario and desert or threaten to desert their parties, especially the Tories.
Most world trade is not done that way but it’s what the UK will be stuck with until and while it negotiates trade deals with the rest of the world. Trade deals are complicated things and much easier to do when you’re part of a larger trading bloc (“back of the queue” anyone?).
The independent economic predictions for the UK under a no deal Brexit are eye-wateringly dire. That’s why UK politics is in crisis now as politicians on both sides reject the apparent sleepwalk to the above scenario and desert or threaten to desert their parties, especially the Tories.
//Trade deals are complicated things and much easier to do when you’re part of a larger trading bloc (“back of the queue” anyone?).
The independent economic predictions for the UK under a no deal Brexit are eye-wateringly dire//
Interpretation.
Leave it all up to us in the pyramid scheme. We know who we are stitching up(You), and we know who must be the main beneficiary of all our deals(Germany & France). Our "independent" civil serpents have spent years preparing doom laden "leaks" to frighten the pigeons in Trafalgar Square and other chickens that we love to pluck in the UK. Take no notice of the rest of the World, and just, trust us your friends. When did we ever let you down or instigate events and policies that were harmful to your well being?
The independent economic predictions for the UK under a no deal Brexit are eye-wateringly dire//
Interpretation.
Leave it all up to us in the pyramid scheme. We know who we are stitching up(You), and we know who must be the main beneficiary of all our deals(Germany & France). Our "independent" civil serpents have spent years preparing doom laden "leaks" to frighten the pigeons in Trafalgar Square and other chickens that we love to pluck in the UK. Take no notice of the rest of the World, and just, trust us your friends. When did we ever let you down or instigate events and policies that were harmful to your well being?
Oh Dear.
//Post-referendum Britain has defied the scaremongers to post its largest monthly budget surplus since records began, strengthening its hand against the ailing European Union as the Brexit deadline looms.
With Prime Minister Theresa May’s “Brexit in Name Only” agreement with the EU comprehensively rejected by Parliament and the bloc seemingly unwilling to make any concessions, the United Kingdom and the European Union are currently hurtling towards a so-called No Deal Brexit, or clean Brexit, on March 29th.
This would see the two parties revert to a relationship on standard World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms — although some minor agreements customs declarations, import duties etc. have already been struck, to minimise short-term disruption.
Remain campaigners had predicted that Britain would already have experienced hundreds of thousands of job losses and a technical recession by now, as a result of the “immediate and profound shock” of a Leave vote — but it is in fact the European Union which is in the doldrums, with the German economy stagnant, France in a state of low-level civil insurrection, and Italy in recession — to say nothing of the continuing plague of youth unemployment in Greece, Spain, and so on.
The UK ran a £14.9bn budget surplus in January, the largest since records began. We're a little over a month away from a clean WTO Brexit & the economy is going from strength to strength: record employment, wages rising, Project Fear busted!
The £14.9 billion budget surplus is the biggest posted in January since records began in 1993, according to the Guardian, beating last year’s figure by £5.5 billion.
The European Union, meanwhile, faces a black hole in its budget if the United Kingdom leaves without a deal and keeps the estimated £39 billion Theresa May had agreed to hand over as a “divorce settlement” of sorts — despite the fact Britain has put far more into the EU budget than it has taken out over the last four decades — with member-states having to make arrangements for emergency payments.//
Project fear...….smoke and mirrors...….and lies.
//Post-referendum Britain has defied the scaremongers to post its largest monthly budget surplus since records began, strengthening its hand against the ailing European Union as the Brexit deadline looms.
With Prime Minister Theresa May’s “Brexit in Name Only” agreement with the EU comprehensively rejected by Parliament and the bloc seemingly unwilling to make any concessions, the United Kingdom and the European Union are currently hurtling towards a so-called No Deal Brexit, or clean Brexit, on March 29th.
This would see the two parties revert to a relationship on standard World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms — although some minor agreements customs declarations, import duties etc. have already been struck, to minimise short-term disruption.
Remain campaigners had predicted that Britain would already have experienced hundreds of thousands of job losses and a technical recession by now, as a result of the “immediate and profound shock” of a Leave vote — but it is in fact the European Union which is in the doldrums, with the German economy stagnant, France in a state of low-level civil insurrection, and Italy in recession — to say nothing of the continuing plague of youth unemployment in Greece, Spain, and so on.
The UK ran a £14.9bn budget surplus in January, the largest since records began. We're a little over a month away from a clean WTO Brexit & the economy is going from strength to strength: record employment, wages rising, Project Fear busted!
The £14.9 billion budget surplus is the biggest posted in January since records began in 1993, according to the Guardian, beating last year’s figure by £5.5 billion.
The European Union, meanwhile, faces a black hole in its budget if the United Kingdom leaves without a deal and keeps the estimated £39 billion Theresa May had agreed to hand over as a “divorce settlement” of sorts — despite the fact Britain has put far more into the EU budget than it has taken out over the last four decades — with member-states having to make arrangements for emergency payments.//
Project fear...….smoke and mirrors...….and lies.
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