Civil Unrest Anyone?

[diddlydo]

Who'd like to join those like me in protest against Johnson's undemocratic behaviour?

[Old_Geezer]

Folk may find more than one reason for a particular course of action. No law says you have to find and list them all.

[pixie374]

He would have been mad to "rule it out". He knows how MPs work and wouldn't put it past them to continue trying to block it. While I have always liked Boris (i know...) i also think he has enough charisma, ego and arrogance to not want to fail at what he has said. He seemed to deliberately step back when May came in to allow her to make the mess and be the scapegoat, and was always likely to turn up at the last minute and get on with it. But that is what we need right now.

[THECORBYLOON]

When he was interviewed yesterday, it was said to him his critics would say the move "denies MPs the time they need to debate and possibly vote on Brexit" and he refuted that.

There was no mention of no-deal was there?

[dannyk13]

Corby, No.

[pixie374]

They had 3 years... so that is blatantly not true.

[THECORBYLOON]

The issue is the PM's being dishonest about the reason for the prorogation of Parliament.

[dannyk13]

Corby //The issue is the PM's being dishonest about the reason for the prorogation of Parliament.//
Agreed but can the dissenters prove it? I think not. Another point of interest is whether a hearing such as this can overrule the Queen ?

[anotheoldgit]

I see that horrible woman Gina Miller is getting involved once again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/28/gina-millers-lawyers-apply-to-challenge-boris-johnson-plan

[dannyk13]

The PM did not prorogue Parliament, the Queen is the only person who can do that.

[naomi24]

This argument about lying is ridiculous. There may be more than one reason for doing what he’s doing – and no doubt he’d be castigated if he didn’t explain that – but I knew what he had in mind and why days ago – I posted a link earlier. He told us what he was planning and he made no bones about it, so if I knew why didn’t you?

[THECORBYLOON]

Why is he not being honest about it then?

[naomi24]

//Mr Johnson made clear he was not ruling out the use of the procedure known as prorogation to stop MPs coming together across party lines to block Brexit.//

What's not honest about that?

[Baldric]

I made it to page 5 then gave up 'cus my brain was hurting!

[THECORBYLOON]

"He told us what he was planning and he made no bones about it" Failing to rule out an option is hardly making his plans clear is it? He has said the prorogation was to allow time for new legislation to be debated.

If he were keen for that to happen AND allow sufficient time for Brexit debate, would he not have suggested the current Parliament continue sitting during the party conferences?

[dannyk13]

Corby, parliament does not sit during party conferences.

[naomi24]

Corby, he hasn't ruled out any option. He's made that clear too. This from last Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/26/boris-johnson-refuses-to-rule-out-forcing-through-no-deal-brexit

[THECORBYLOON]

Parliament passes a motion to enable it to go into recess to allow the MPs to attend the conferences. If there were to be a vote against that motion, Parliament would continue sitting.

[dannyk13]

Corby, that would require the agreement of all parties.

[THECORBYLOON]

If something is not ruled out, that does not mean it will or is likely to happen, it's only a possibility.

That is not the same as making something clear. Being clear means being honest and unambiguous.

[Zacs-Master]

Right, so, breaking this down.....
Leave voters are complaining because the vote to leave an undemocratic EU is being thwarted by an undemocratic government. Ironic, huh?