ChatterBank3 mins ago
Civil Unrest Anyone?
Who'd like to join those like me in protest against Johnson's undemocratic behaviour?
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The thing everyone on both sides seems to be losing sight of in the wild clamour to have their own way is that each and every person has a right, and in fact a duty, to do what they consider right for the country, and that includes Remainers. I still hold that leaving the EU will be catastrophic economically
00:11 Thu 29th Aug 2019
The debate on Advisory/Binding has rumbled on from day one along with the rest of the debacle - it does not make someone a liar to state that.
One site outlining it here , there are others if you look.
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One site outlining it here , there are others if you look.
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Putting it kindly, that the referendum was ‘advisory only’ is a spurious argument – yet another smoke screen. Every major political party declared its intention to respect the result of the referendum, the government vowed to deliver on that result, and parliament voted overwhelmingly to trigger A50.
"It was never anything other than an advisory referendum"
How many times must this be countered ? Due to a poor system it was legally only advisory, but that was irrelevant since it was stated that it would be acted upon. One doesn't spend a fortune on something one intends to ignore if one doesn't like the result. And parliament accepted this and started the process. So this advisory nonsense is a red herring, always was, but continually brought up as if it had some relevance by remoaners.
"Not something which should ever have been put to the people"
Of course it had to be. There's been growing discontent with this federalist agenda for ages. The government didn't have the guts to get out, parliament as a whole still doesn't and thus fail in their job of representing the opinion of the country, but clearly it was the will of the people they are supposed to represent and so it was necessary that their voice was heard. Fortunately Cameron thought it'd solve a problem for him so offered it. Government aren't usually that democratic but should be on major decisions.
Democracy is not preserved by stopping a democratic decision simply because some don't agree with it. That is the antithesis of democracy.
Whatever Farage intended when he said he'd continue the fight if it went the way of remain, it isn't really comparable to the damage remoaners are causing now. It was his "baby", his long term goal to convince others to get out of a federal Europe. He had no power other than persuasion and if he wanted to continue to do that then the effect on the nation would be subtle. And if he (or remainers now) wanted to call for another vote in a few decades time, then fair enough.
How many times must this be countered ? Due to a poor system it was legally only advisory, but that was irrelevant since it was stated that it would be acted upon. One doesn't spend a fortune on something one intends to ignore if one doesn't like the result. And parliament accepted this and started the process. So this advisory nonsense is a red herring, always was, but continually brought up as if it had some relevance by remoaners.
"Not something which should ever have been put to the people"
Of course it had to be. There's been growing discontent with this federalist agenda for ages. The government didn't have the guts to get out, parliament as a whole still doesn't and thus fail in their job of representing the opinion of the country, but clearly it was the will of the people they are supposed to represent and so it was necessary that their voice was heard. Fortunately Cameron thought it'd solve a problem for him so offered it. Government aren't usually that democratic but should be on major decisions.
Democracy is not preserved by stopping a democratic decision simply because some don't agree with it. That is the antithesis of democracy.
Whatever Farage intended when he said he'd continue the fight if it went the way of remain, it isn't really comparable to the damage remoaners are causing now. It was his "baby", his long term goal to convince others to get out of a federal Europe. He had no power other than persuasion and if he wanted to continue to do that then the effect on the nation would be subtle. And if he (or remainers now) wanted to call for another vote in a few decades time, then fair enough.
People had their chance to do "what is right for the country" at the referendum, the fairest vote ever held in this country. If they couldnt be bothered to get out of bed to vote the fault is theirs so cluttering up the streets of London is just sour grapes in the extreme. The ballot paper was to leave the EU, no need for a deal or no deal was specified, so that argument is irrelevant. Many remain MPs will be unemployed after the next GE for not respecting the instructions of their constituents regardless of party.
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