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t’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we messing up the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry...
10:23 Wed 25th Sep 2019
Sad to say, the seeds for the present epoch of Climate change were clearly laid long before Bobbisox's generation, let alone during it. This in no sense means that Bobbi or any other person is individually responsible. There is a collective responsibility, a failure of past generations, in consistently putting environmental concerns well behind economic growth. All of that took place well before the modern period, and certainly well before the most recent generation grew up.
Nor is it any answer to call Thunberg brainwashed. At its core, her point is simply this: listen to the overwhelming consensus of scientists, as voiced in the IPCC reports and countless thousands of papers from tens of thousands of specialist scientists, whose expertise it is to both study and to solve these problems. If the best you can come up with is to blame the youngsters for both causing the problem (as Bobbisox appears to), and in even thinking there is a problem at all (as is implicit in the brainwashing accusation), then you need to come up with better responses. And the only response is to take responsibility.
Nor is it any answer to call Thunberg brainwashed. At its core, her point is simply this: listen to the overwhelming consensus of scientists, as voiced in the IPCC reports and countless thousands of papers from tens of thousands of specialist scientists, whose expertise it is to both study and to solve these problems. If the best you can come up with is to blame the youngsters for both causing the problem (as Bobbisox appears to), and in even thinking there is a problem at all (as is implicit in the brainwashing accusation), then you need to come up with better responses. And the only response is to take responsibility.
//NJ's wish to still be able to buy tungsten lightbulbs is a classic example.//
My desire to buy them is not really the issue (and you well know that was never my point, but I know you like to insist that it was, so I'll not spoil your delusion for you). My objection was being told that I couldn't because to buy alternatives would help "save the planet" (for which read "keep it comfortable for humans" - the planet was here long before us and will be here long after we've gone).
Down the road from me is a retail park with a couple of dozen shops. In a month or so's time each one of them will open its doors at 9am and heat the street with a 25Kw worth of "curtain" heaters until they close at 6pm. So, 24 (shops) x25 (Kw) x 9 (hours) - a little over 5,000 KwH of electricity to heat the street (not including late night closing on Thursday and six hours on Sunday). This will go on for three or four months and it's just one small shopping centre on the outskirts of one reasonably sized town. Not a word is said about this. Nowhere do you see any move to legislate to prevent this (and the legislation would be simple: "When you've got your heaters on, close the doors and if the doors are open turn the heaters off- even simpler that EU Withdrawal Act No 2, or whatever number we're now up to).
That is why I don't want to be told by a sixteen year old or anybody else about the terrible damage I am inflicting on the planet and its inhabitants. Miss Thunberg (who clearly has a number of issues which I believe the authorities in her home country would do well to investigate if they have any interest in child welfare) is entitled to her opinion. When she grows up and no longer knows everything she may ask why a small shopping centre uses more electricity to heat the street in a week than my house consumes in a year (3,500 KwH in case you're interested). Until then she should keep quiet and get on with her studies.
My desire to buy them is not really the issue (and you well know that was never my point, but I know you like to insist that it was, so I'll not spoil your delusion for you). My objection was being told that I couldn't because to buy alternatives would help "save the planet" (for which read "keep it comfortable for humans" - the planet was here long before us and will be here long after we've gone).
Down the road from me is a retail park with a couple of dozen shops. In a month or so's time each one of them will open its doors at 9am and heat the street with a 25Kw worth of "curtain" heaters until they close at 6pm. So, 24 (shops) x25 (Kw) x 9 (hours) - a little over 5,000 KwH of electricity to heat the street (not including late night closing on Thursday and six hours on Sunday). This will go on for three or four months and it's just one small shopping centre on the outskirts of one reasonably sized town. Not a word is said about this. Nowhere do you see any move to legislate to prevent this (and the legislation would be simple: "When you've got your heaters on, close the doors and if the doors are open turn the heaters off- even simpler that EU Withdrawal Act No 2, or whatever number we're now up to).
That is why I don't want to be told by a sixteen year old or anybody else about the terrible damage I am inflicting on the planet and its inhabitants. Miss Thunberg (who clearly has a number of issues which I believe the authorities in her home country would do well to investigate if they have any interest in child welfare) is entitled to her opinion. When she grows up and no longer knows everything she may ask why a small shopping centre uses more electricity to heat the street in a week than my house consumes in a year (3,500 KwH in case you're interested). Until then she should keep quiet and get on with her studies.
I was a child in the 50's, I never knew a soul who had polio and I definitely don't remember any bombed out buildings, but like I said in a previous post, I'll just go and pop on my sackcloth and ashes and stand in the corner - how very dare I be a child of the 50's and be around when the so called 'baby boomer' generation was being spawned !!!
NJ,
You see others wasting electricity, so you think it reasonable for you to waste as much electricity as you like. But the UK, along with many other countries have agreed to cut greenhouse gas emissions. The simplest way to do that is to impose changes that have very little effect for the user, but use less energy. Replacing a 100watt lightbulb with one that uses less than a tenth of the energy, and gives off the same amount of light, is one easy way to cut emissions.
You are right that business waste energy. They do this because they pass the costs on to their customers.
Maybe we could have energy efficiency rating for shops like we do for machines. You could then choose which places to buy from.
You see others wasting electricity, so you think it reasonable for you to waste as much electricity as you like. But the UK, along with many other countries have agreed to cut greenhouse gas emissions. The simplest way to do that is to impose changes that have very little effect for the user, but use less energy. Replacing a 100watt lightbulb with one that uses less than a tenth of the energy, and gives off the same amount of light, is one easy way to cut emissions.
You are right that business waste energy. They do this because they pass the costs on to their customers.
Maybe we could have energy efficiency rating for shops like we do for machines. You could then choose which places to buy from.
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