Snp Want Votes For 16 +17 Year Olds Aneu Citizens In Ge

[webbo3]

http://news.sky.com/story/snp-want-16-and-17-year-olds-to-have-vote-in-christmas-election-11848129

Are they desperate for votes, we can't vote in EU elections only the local ones and children fresh out of school will listen to their parents.

[vulcan42]

" thecorbyloon
\\TTT, are pensioners net contributors?//

They have been and 16 year olds never have."
I'm a pensioner and still paying income tax.

[pixie374]

Because the nation is for everyone who lives in it- and not just for richer people.
Don't get me wrong, I often feel like I have to pay more in taxes than I have actually earned, and as a single parent of four... I don't honestly see why I should be supporting single people who can't be bothered. But there are also many people who are genuine unable to contribute, and they are no less important.

[pixie374]

I expect so, webbo. You are trying to compare entirely different things there.

[webbo3]

an adult decision would be not breaking the law.

[pixie374]

Well yes, but adults do. I wouldn't personally give the vote to any prisoners while they are in... as they have been proven to work against the rest of society.

[Old_Geezer]

"Because putting a 16 year old in an adult prison, is likely to make them worse and not better."

Because they are impressionable children at that age. Point made.

[pixie374]

Maybe... but my own are all around that age, and they all know their views. They certainly wouldn't follow mine necessarily.
They have so much more awareness now.

[pixie374]

Women also get worse in prison, rather than better... Are there actually any adults we can trust to make a "right decision"?

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, a person's State Pension is not funded solely by that person's NI contributions, is it? My contributions and taxes are helping to pay for it too.

[Old_Geezer]

But they make an adult deliberate choice to be so. We don't expect that from children, who are more vulnerable.

[pixie374]

We all pay towards pensions. I don't mind paying towards pensions for people over 80 or for people with anything that makes them unable to work.

[pixie374]

I don't understand your point there, og x who makes what decisions? Are you arguing that 16 year olds should be treated differently with crime? Which they are...
Or that the should have no say on their future?

[Old_Geezer]

State pensions are a deserved entitlement because folk effectively paid for them by funding the previous generations' state pension. In reality the government holds the public purse and all is paid out from it anyway. It's just that there's a silly system theoretically funding pensions at present. But it is still paid from public money. Time they overhauled the theory and put it on a sane footing.

[Ryzen]

Let the 16 year olds vote...with a 9am voting deadline..sorted.

[pixie374]

Pensions make no sense now, no. They started off as "unusual" for genuinely elderly people. But haven't risen in line with life expectancy. So the recent generations have often been able to expect a good 10/20 years of retirement.
It doesn't make any sense at all.

[Old_Geezer]

Sorry if it's not clear. The legal situation proves where society draws the line between responsible adult and vulnerable easily swayed child. Since it implies we aren't adult until 25, and not even tried as an adult until 18, it follows that until then an individual is deemed to not be mature enough to be considered an adult; and that must include voting on national issues.

[ToraToraTora]

TCL: "TTT, a person's State Pension is not funded solely by that person's NI contributions, is it? My contributions and taxes are helping to pay for it too. " - that's the idea you have to pay NI stamps for N years. Now the government may choose to pay dues out of general taxation rather than ring fencing the money they get in for the purpose but that's up to them. The amount a person pays over their working life if used to fund a pension in the private sector would be more than enough.

[pixie374]

Thank you x I don't think punishment for crime has anything to do with it, personally. Those are stats about being imprisoned. Different for men, women, children and people with some special needs. But is not related at all to future planning.

[Deskdiary]

I'm going massively off-topic here...but until as such time as the state pension is linked to the amount you put in, rather than solely the number of years you put in, it's not actually a pension is it?

[pixie374]

It is called that- but it is a benefit. People feel that they are entitled to it purely because they "have" worked and paid in in the past. It doesn't seem any more rational than that.