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Sicerack //There are 40,000 of these creatures on Jihad watch and it takes 20+ officers to watch one of them.// The idea that in order to protect society (the first duty of any government) we have to have more & more police surveillance of potential Jihadis is misguided 'top-down' thinking. We have to attack the root causes. These attacks have a religious...
08:25 Mon 03rd Feb 2020
But he was such a s nice boy - his mum says so.
Nonsense he was scum and thankfully was dispatched by a Policeman protecting the public. Pity the Judiciary and Probation service dont do the same.
1st stop now we are out is to dump the HRA and introduce our own, one where we can deal with such scum and those despicable individuals that encourage them.
Nonsense he was scum and thankfully was dispatched by a Policeman protecting the public. Pity the Judiciary and Probation service dont do the same.
1st stop now we are out is to dump the HRA and introduce our own, one where we can deal with such scum and those despicable individuals that encourage them.
Naomi - // AH, //I have said before, that by any definition, a Jihadist is a psychopath.//
And I’ve said before that you’re mistaken. The definition of a psychopath is “a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.” //
I would say that someone who is stabbing strangers in the street is “a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.” wouldn't you agree?
The irrefutable evidence remains that the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people with no interest in 'taking over' anywhere at all.
The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. They do not need to 'infiltrate' anywhere, they have sheer weight of numbers to 'take over' any time they feel like it - except they clearly don't.
And I’ve said before that you’re mistaken. The definition of a psychopath is “a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.” //
I would say that someone who is stabbing strangers in the street is “a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.” wouldn't you agree?
The irrefutable evidence remains that the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people with no interest in 'taking over' anywhere at all.
The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. They do not need to 'infiltrate' anywhere, they have sheer weight of numbers to 'take over' any time they feel like it - except they clearly don't.
YMB - // But he was such a s nice boy - his mum says so. //
The two are not mutually exclusive, it is possible to be a loving son and still harbour rage against complete strangers.
Ted Bundy, one of the most savage psychopathic serial killers ever caught used his charm and good looks to entice his victims, and enjoyed a large fan club of infatuated women during his court appearances.
That did not stop him being a savage and amoral killer who slaughtered dozens of young women and never expressed anything approaching a hint of regret for doing so.
The two are not mutually exclusive, it is possible to be a loving son and still harbour rage against complete strangers.
Ted Bundy, one of the most savage psychopathic serial killers ever caught used his charm and good looks to entice his victims, and enjoyed a large fan club of infatuated women during his court appearances.
That did not stop him being a savage and amoral killer who slaughtered dozens of young women and never expressed anything approaching a hint of regret for doing so.
AH, //I would say that someone who is stabbing strangers in the street is “a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.” wouldn't you agree?//
In this instance, no I wouldn’t agree - as my previous post indicates. If that were true it would beg the question “Why does Islam produce an inordinate number of mentally ill people?”
//The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. //
No, it isnt.
//They do not need to 'infiltrate' anywhere, they have sheer weight of numbers to 'take over' any time they feel like it//
There are more Christians in the world than Islamists. Add to that the billions from other cultures, from India and China for example, and you will find that Islam’s numbers do not carry weight at all. They are not equipped to wage physical war on the world.
In this instance, no I wouldn’t agree - as my previous post indicates. If that were true it would beg the question “Why does Islam produce an inordinate number of mentally ill people?”
//The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. //
No, it isnt.
//They do not need to 'infiltrate' anywhere, they have sheer weight of numbers to 'take over' any time they feel like it//
There are more Christians in the world than Islamists. Add to that the billions from other cultures, from India and China for example, and you will find that Islam’s numbers do not carry weight at all. They are not equipped to wage physical war on the world.
we have over 3 million in UK, most of those live in London according to the BBC News. I think their influence is way to much and that we ignore them at our peril. The man shot dead has gone the way of the martyr, and as Bobbi says there will be other to take his place. Let us hope that this current government does crack down and start sentencing those who wish us harm to a long stretch inside.
Going back to previous posts here, it worries me that scumbags like this, if claims of mental health problems arise, start to demonize genuine mental health issues. It seems a small step to go from, "The terrorist suffered from mental health issues" to "You have mental health issues? Are you going to stab me?"
// I would never use mental illness to excuse criminal behaviour, but it does explain it, which is a different concept entirely.//
oh dear arguments are all over the place on this thread
at the risk of you saying I am stalking you Andie.
Luckily the English legal system does recognise too mad to be criminal
unfit to plead - you get carted away whether or no you did it
and not guilty froo insanity - I think
and who was it who said above they were dying for Aller? no they were dying for Islam
even tho the quran says that Christians and Jews were ahl al kitab ( children of book) - and kufr are pagans and apostates and not Js and Cs
oh dear arguments are all over the place on this thread
at the risk of you saying I am stalking you Andie.
Luckily the English legal system does recognise too mad to be criminal
unfit to plead - you get carted away whether or no you did it
and not guilty froo insanity - I think
and who was it who said above they were dying for Aller? no they were dying for Islam
even tho the quran says that Christians and Jews were ahl al kitab ( children of book) - and kufr are pagans and apostates and not Js and Cs
Naomi - // In this instance, no I wouldn’t agree - as my previous post indicates. If that were true it would beg the question “Why does Islam produce an inordinate number of mentally ill people?” //
There is no evidence that it does.
The evidence that extremists who wilfully misinterpret their holy tome are prone to violence and terrorism infers that the evidenced psychopathy is linked to the faith itself, which it is clearly not, or it would not be producing the tiny minority of psychopaths compared with normal followers that it is.
//The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. //
No, it isnt. //
You can argue that as a view, but you cannot state it as a fact.
//They do not need to 'infiltrate' anywhere, they have sheer weight of numbers to 'take over' any time they feel like it//
// There are more Christians in the world than Islamists. Add to that the billions from other cultures, from India and China for example, and you will find that Islam’s numbers do not carry weight at all. They are not equipped to wage physical war on the world. //
If even ten per cent of them rose up and declared Jihad, that would make a noticeable impact on the world as a whole.
Isis was formed over thirty years ago - and still no sign of the mass coming together to exterminate the infidel.
Facts do not lie - there is minority extremism, as there is in any faith, and that extremism is used as a peg for psychopaths to hang their abhorrent behaviour on.
It used to be the Nazis, now it's the Muslims, the world has to have a go-to 'bad guy' - always has, always will.
There is no evidence that it does.
The evidence that extremists who wilfully misinterpret their holy tome are prone to violence and terrorism infers that the evidenced psychopathy is linked to the faith itself, which it is clearly not, or it would not be producing the tiny minority of psychopaths compared with normal followers that it is.
//The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. //
No, it isnt. //
You can argue that as a view, but you cannot state it as a fact.
//They do not need to 'infiltrate' anywhere, they have sheer weight of numbers to 'take over' any time they feel like it//
// There are more Christians in the world than Islamists. Add to that the billions from other cultures, from India and China for example, and you will find that Islam’s numbers do not carry weight at all. They are not equipped to wage physical war on the world. //
If even ten per cent of them rose up and declared Jihad, that would make a noticeable impact on the world as a whole.
Isis was formed over thirty years ago - and still no sign of the mass coming together to exterminate the infidel.
Facts do not lie - there is minority extremism, as there is in any faith, and that extremism is used as a peg for psychopaths to hang their abhorrent behaviour on.
It used to be the Nazis, now it's the Muslims, the world has to have a go-to 'bad guy' - always has, always will.
PP - // oh dear arguments are all over the place on this thread
at the risk of you saying I am stalking you Andie. //
I could't care less if you are - your refusal to spell my name properly after numerous requests means that I skip past everything you say without reading it, unless I spot my name misspelled again, as here.
at the risk of you saying I am stalking you Andie. //
I could't care less if you are - your refusal to spell my name properly after numerous requests means that I skip past everything you say without reading it, unless I spot my name misspelled again, as here.
AH, //The evidence that extremists who wilfully misinterpret their holy tome//
Had you read their holy tome you would know they don’t misinterpret it.
////The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. //
No, it isnt. //
You can argue that as a view, but you cannot state it as a fact.////
Yes I can. There are more Christians and people of other cultures in the world than Muslims.
//Facts do not lie//
No they don’t. If you want the truth, research the facts.
Had you read their holy tome you would know they don’t misinterpret it.
////The fact that Muslims have not 'taken over' is ample proof of that argument. //
No, it isnt. //
You can argue that as a view, but you cannot state it as a fact.////
Yes I can. There are more Christians and people of other cultures in the world than Muslims.
//Facts do not lie//
No they don’t. If you want the truth, research the facts.
Naomi - // Yes I can. There are more Christians and people of other cultures in the world than Muslims. //
That's not the point I was taking issue with, and I think you know that.
My argument is that the Bible says "If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out …" but I don't see many Christians interpreting that literally, so why do you imagine that Muslins must do the same?
We are never going to agree on this, but you appear constantly to prophesy the end of the world as we know it, and I live perfectly happily, until there is even a shred of evidence that it is happening, and I am still waiting ...
That's not the point I was taking issue with, and I think you know that.
My argument is that the Bible says "If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out …" but I don't see many Christians interpreting that literally, so why do you imagine that Muslins must do the same?
We are never going to agree on this, but you appear constantly to prophesy the end of the world as we know it, and I live perfectly happily, until there is even a shred of evidence that it is happening, and I am still waiting ...
Naomi....I admit, I haven't read the rest of the thread yet... but there is nothing to suggest Islam produces inordinate numbers of people with mental health problems. Partly, they can be inherited, learnt through upbringing, etc. But maybe... it is the other way around... larger numbers of people with mental health problems, are attracted to religions?
As far as we know so far, that is the case. How do you think that any amount of religion /brainwashing etc, will turn a sane person into a nutter? Would it for you?
As far as we know so far, that is the case. How do you think that any amount of religion /brainwashing etc, will turn a sane person into a nutter? Would it for you?
AH, //I don't see many Christians interpreting that literally, so why do you imagine that Muslins must do the same?//
I don’t imagine that at all because the analogy is nonsense. The bible is acknowledged to have been written by men and it is therefore accepted that it is open to interpretation. The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before.
//you appear constantly to prophesy the end of the world as we know it//
I have never prophesied the end of the world - as we know it, or otherwise.
I don’t imagine that at all because the analogy is nonsense. The bible is acknowledged to have been written by men and it is therefore accepted that it is open to interpretation. The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before.
//you appear constantly to prophesy the end of the world as we know it//
I have never prophesied the end of the world - as we know it, or otherwise.
naomi - // I don’t imagine that at all because the analogy is nonsense. The bible is acknowledged to have been written by men and it is therefore accepted that it is open to interpretation. The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before. //
First of all, please don't patronise me, I am aware of what you have posted (I don't think you have ever 'told me' anything to be honest) I know what you believe to be the different positions on each book.
But interpretation is individual - a seriously twisted and deranged Christian is just as likely to cut of his 'offending' hand as a seriously twisted and devout Muslim is like to start killing infidels.
The notion of the origin of an 'instruction book' is merely detail to the psychopath - saying it 'comes from Allah' in an effort to excuse murderous behaviour is just that - an excuse, it is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for terrorists simply because some of them hang that unproven notion out to justify what they do.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the reason why there are not millions of Jihadists slaughtering non-believers all day every day is exactly the same reason why street sweepers are not piling up severed hands all over the country - interpretation.
Most people take the bits they like, that suit them, and they can live with, and get on with being peaceful citizens.
Those that want to use their book to give them a good feeling about being murderers will do so no matter where it is supposed to come from - that's mental disturbance, not religious observance.
First of all, please don't patronise me, I am aware of what you have posted (I don't think you have ever 'told me' anything to be honest) I know what you believe to be the different positions on each book.
But interpretation is individual - a seriously twisted and deranged Christian is just as likely to cut of his 'offending' hand as a seriously twisted and devout Muslim is like to start killing infidels.
The notion of the origin of an 'instruction book' is merely detail to the psychopath - saying it 'comes from Allah' in an effort to excuse murderous behaviour is just that - an excuse, it is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for terrorists simply because some of them hang that unproven notion out to justify what they do.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the reason why there are not millions of Jihadists slaughtering non-believers all day every day is exactly the same reason why street sweepers are not piling up severed hands all over the country - interpretation.
Most people take the bits they like, that suit them, and they can live with, and get on with being peaceful citizens.
Those that want to use their book to give them a good feeling about being murderers will do so no matter where it is supposed to come from - that's mental disturbance, not religious observance.
I don't believe so, naomi. For centuries, people have attempted to "brainwash" each other... particularly with the military. So far, not one single person has succeeded.
If you have a theory, that proves it is possible, and that a "normal" person will completely change their behaviour and actions according to what they have read, or are taught, you really should share it... as it will be a first for the whole world.
Otherwise, I will continue with what we know so far... that tendencies towards criminalities and violence are inherited, and yes, those people may well look for an excuse/ link/ reason to behave in those ways. But your "knowledge" about psychiatry, is literally groundbreaking... and I would genuinely like to hear more.
If you have a theory, that proves it is possible, and that a "normal" person will completely change their behaviour and actions according to what they have read, or are taught, you really should share it... as it will be a first for the whole world.
Otherwise, I will continue with what we know so far... that tendencies towards criminalities and violence are inherited, and yes, those people may well look for an excuse/ link/ reason to behave in those ways. But your "knowledge" about psychiatry, is literally groundbreaking... and I would genuinely like to hear more.
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