President Takes Anti Malarial - Is Dettol Next?

[Peter Pedant]

The President cleared the room when he admitted taking hydroxychloroquine.
He had also found a doctor to prescribe it

and MY question is : if a relative did that and died - would you complain to the authorities ( GMC and courts here ) that the doctor had NOT acted in the patients ( your relative that is!) best interests and should pay you ( the estate ) much moolah and lose his licence

Note to help posters - hydroxyChlor does NOT have a licence to be used in warding off covid

[Peter Pedant]

Meanwhile back in the real World the UK places an order for £35million worth of hydroxychloroqine.

I dont think this can have been on scientific advice. But do the mandarins listen to scientific advice? according to NJ they dont and shouldnt - well thank God for that ! and that would allow a mandarin in his lunchbreak to tippedy tip out and place the order,

on the excellent non eek grounds of - if it works then 5000 (non-quantifiable) lives saved and a knighthood for him - well deserved too!
and if it doesnt work he can pass it off as wall-paper for Frogmore cottage and get Meghan to pay over 15 y

and who needs a maff modeller ? shoot them all

[Peter Pedant]

oh and thanks everyone - first time over 100 replies
AAANNNDDDDD
none abusive and none erased
christ that is another unexpected first !

[woofgang]

PP apparently there is some evidence that it shortens the illness if you catch it but not that it prevents it.

[Peter Pedant]

there is one where they exclude the ones who drop out ( in other words dont follow - "intention to treat" - ) and say the ones that are left arent in too bad shape

a commentator er commented - not difficult to show a benefit if you have excluded those who died

"shortens illness" I have always thought was a bit of cop out

[naomi24]

//apparently there is some evidence that it shortens the illness if you catch it but not that it prevents it.

That's right..... the evidence is that is reduces recovery time by about a third.

[naomi24]

*it* not is.

[Zacs-Master]

Any link to that claim, Naomi?

[naomi24]

No.

[Zacs-Master]

Thought not.

[naomi24]

You were right then. Well done.

[Zacs-Master]

No worries. Maybe think twice before claiming there’s evidence of something, eh?

[naomi24]

There you go, Zacs. Hate to tease you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

A BBC documentary suggested one third - but if you want evidence for that I'll leave you to search for it.

[Zacs-Master]

Already found it, my love.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3

‘ However, evidence regarding its effects in patients is limited.’

‘ Trump began hyping hydroxychloroquine on March 19, at a White House news conference with his coronavirus task force. “I think it’s going to be very exciting,” Trump said. “I think it could be a game changer and maybe not. And maybe not. But I think it could be, based on what I see, it could be a game changer. Very powerful.” He suggested, inaccurately, that the F.D.A. had approved the drug for use against Covid-19. He made no mention of azithromycin. Commissioner Stephen M. Hahn of the F.D.A. gently corrected him later and said that a large clinical trial would be the appropriate way to evaluate the therapeutic value of the drug.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/magazine/didier-raoult-hydroxychloroquine.html

[naomi24]

//‘ However, evidence regarding its effects in patients is limited.’ //

Yep. No one said it wasn't.

[Zacs-Master]

So why did you answer ‘no’ when I asked you if you had a link?

[Peter Pedant]

bit here
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205204/

Gautret is the guilty party - NB not peer reviewed

[Peter Pedant]

someone has pointed out that this is a treatment for covid ( 1 g a day for seven days - makes my blood run cold)
and Trump is using it for prophylaxis

for which there is NO data

[naomi24]

//So why did you answer ‘no’ when I asked you if you had a link? //

Because when you asked I didn't have a link.

[retrocop]

Looks like the Australians are giving it a trial as well as POTUS.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/20/australian-health-workers-trial-unproven-anti-malaria-drug-donald-trump-taking-12731307/

[Togo]

Seems like everybody wants it now...Ooo Errr Missus.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/nhs-staff-to-be-given-hydroxychloroquine-drug-touted-by-donald-trump-in-clinical-trial-a4446671.html