Utter Lunacy 60 Statues To Go

[retrocop]

BLM have targeted 60 Statues and Plaques. Their choices are bizzare. Will we now have black stabbing victims picking and choosing what hospitals save their lives. They apparently now don't appreciate Guy's hospital. I am sure Guys didn't turn them away when they were bleeding to death.
Arms manufacture and Engineer Armstrong. Obviously BLM would have sooner lived under a Nazi regime. Armstrong Company manufactured the Armstrong Whiteley Bomber in the 2nd W.W.

Horatio Nelson, Drake et al. It has to stop. Full list in Link

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/09/hit-list-racist-statues-black-lives-matter-protesters-want-pulling-12827249/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&;utm_source=pushly

[retrocop]

I thought this post was about UK monuments. :-(

https://ibb.co/c601KS0

[Mozz71]

//JTT dont tell me what I need to do, I started most of the racist threads me old china.//

Fixed that for you fella.

[Ellipsis]

> he died resisting arrest

Saying "I can't breathe" while lying flat on your front with your hands in cuffs behind your back and someone kneeling on your neck for over eight minutes = resisting arrest.

Righto!

[Mozz71]

//Mozz71, it was 8 minutes.//

He wasn't motionless for the full 8 minutes.

[royfromaus]

Just to clarify, what race are the Tutsi and what race are the Hutu?

[Gherkins]

Mozz71, you can't twist my words like that. They are here for all to read regardless of your personal perception of them.

I disagree with the police using animals in any situation, especially horses in riots. The police are all individual people. What they stand for or against is up to them. It's not hard to get a job that is outside of the police force. I would never attend my job if it meant that my core morals would be jeopardised.

That is not me saying if they don't like it that they should quit. But at the same time it is. It's a complex matter one I'm not going to solve for you on answerbank.

I've made my point clear. It doesn't need to be twisted.

[ToraToraTora]

elipsis, being a lowlife career criminal piece of excrement is what got him there me old china. Brave fella, took on a brutal pregnant woman you know, better nominate him for a medal.

[Gherkins]

Mozz71, you're right. However he was under the knee for eight minutes. To what avail? He was cuffed. He could have been put in the police car.

[ToraToraTora]

roy they are blacks killing blacks not sure why that's needs clarifying or what sort of twisted point you are trying to make.

[ToraToraTora]

"He could have been put in the police car. " - gawd help us, he was refusing to get in the police car, derr!

[royfromaus]

//I agree but that's not what happened with floyd, he died resisting arrest,//




I honestly think you have gone full-blown non compos mentis, TTT.

[shoota]

Gherkin:
'However, those who are retaliating to the aggressive police presence,'
I don't know what you were watching but I saw a bunch of coppers being commendably restrained in the face of extreme provocation.
Copers who weren't allowed to wear beat helmets which might have offered some protection. Coppers who weren't allowed to wear crash helmets and flameproof overalls, all because the senior officers had been instructed to play it 'softly, softly.'
Coppers who had to take bottles and flares being thrown at them, mounted officers having to contend with having bikes thrown under the hooves of their mounts.
I watched a live feed from someone who was in the crowd of protesters for several hours on both Saturday and Sunday and I saw nothing in the way of retaliation or aggression, a little self defence possibly but I challenge you to provide evidence of Police aggression.

[Mozz71]

//perlease! How do you think he got into that position. He refused to get into the car claiming some BS about claustrophobia!//

True, but he certainly wasn't resisting arrest for the he was on the ground. Especially during those minutes where he'd lost consciousness.

//It wasn't his first rodeo was it? If anyone should know the inside of a cop car it's him//

Absolutely irrelevant.

//So what are you saying? He was targetted specifically whilst minding his own business? Singled out for no reason other than he's a black bloke? (can I say that?)//

And there you go, shovelling words into my mouth. No, I'm saying at best, an overzealous cop killed him accidentally, or at worst, a racist cop killed him deliberately. Many variables in between those two extremes are also available.

[royfromaus]

ToraToraTora
roy they are blacks killing blacks not sure why that's needs clarifying or what sort of twisted point you are trying to make.



So blacks killing blacks is 'real racism'

Got it.

[pixie374]

TTT, how is someone unconscious "resisting arrest"? Do you think the officer was just really thick or badly trained? He was a violent thug himself. There is no way he didn't know he was doing major damage. And, I'm not sure whether you are suggesting he knew Floyd's past, and was deliberately being judge, jury and executioner. Or whether you think he was evil or amazingly incompetent?

[Ellipsis]

> elipsis, being a lowlife career criminal piece of excrement is what got him there me old china. Brave fella, took on a brutal pregnant woman you know, better nominate him for a medal.

Or better yet just exterminate him in the street, like some council official called to deal with a vermin problem. Why not? He's only a criminal piece of excrement, after all ...

[Mozz71]

I wasn't twisting your words at all Gherkins. I was responding to them. Peaceful protests have.worked frequently. They would've here, without the vioence and looting.

[shoota]

'I think the crux of the matter is the man would have never had a knee on his neck if he were white.'
Statistically, I think I remember rightly from Candace Owens statistics, a white person is 2.5 times more likely to die than a black person when in the contact with the American judicial system.

[jim360]

Everything TTT says is fundamentally flawed because it is confusing the fact of the arrest with the fact of the death. I can accept that committing a criminal act should be answered with an arrest. But it is the responsibility of the police to ensure that an arrest does not end in a death except in the most extreme circumstances. When you have three officers on top of somebody, you are in control of the situation, and death is an outcome only if you are utterly incompetent or deliberately contemptuous of the life of the person beneath you. Floyd is responsible for his actions, but, having died, will no longer face justice for them. Chauvin is responsible for his actions, and deserves to face justice for them.

This is not difficult. Turning Floyd into scum for which any kind of death was too kind is the mentality of the lynch mob.