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I hope bobbi's right and it fizzles out. It's becoming pathetic.
16:21 Wed 08th Jul 2020
// so a career criminal dies whilst resisting arrest ... //
It's been explained countless times how utterly flawed this view is. I can't see the point in repeating myself. But, in short, he died because the police failed, utterly failed, in their duty. Criminal or not, the role of the police is to arrest people, not to kill them; criminal or not, blatantly abusing your authority to justify killing somebody is never acceptable; criminal or not, this sort of abuse of authority, to hide what would in any other setting be recognised as cold-blooded murder, needs to stop.
It is frankly appalling how you or how anybody could place the criminal offence of allegedly using counterfeit notes ahead of the criminal offence of killing someone. To devalue life so blatantly is not and should never have been acceptable.
It's been explained countless times how utterly flawed this view is. I can't see the point in repeating myself. But, in short, he died because the police failed, utterly failed, in their duty. Criminal or not, the role of the police is to arrest people, not to kill them; criminal or not, blatantly abusing your authority to justify killing somebody is never acceptable; criminal or not, this sort of abuse of authority, to hide what would in any other setting be recognised as cold-blooded murder, needs to stop.
It is frankly appalling how you or how anybody could place the criminal offence of allegedly using counterfeit notes ahead of the criminal offence of killing someone. To devalue life so blatantly is not and should never have been acceptable.
//a career criminal dies whilst resisting arrest and we all must kneel is that about right?//
Nobody has asked you to kneel have they?
//Tell me why, what's the kneeling doing apart from making a complete aris out of normally sensible people?//
It's showing support for the anti-racism movement. It hurts nobody.
//So will they be kneeling during the red flag at this years Labour conference?//
No idea, and even less interest.
What's making people look like an aris more, taking a knee, or being offended by someone doing something which you've just admitted is a pointless act? I'm sorry, but your ranting and raving about something that you see as pointless is ridiculous.
Nobody has asked you to kneel have they?
//Tell me why, what's the kneeling doing apart from making a complete aris out of normally sensible people?//
It's showing support for the anti-racism movement. It hurts nobody.
//So will they be kneeling during the red flag at this years Labour conference?//
No idea, and even less interest.
What's making people look like an aris more, taking a knee, or being offended by someone doing something which you've just admitted is a pointless act? I'm sorry, but your ranting and raving about something that you see as pointless is ridiculous.
//I think some have been coerced into doing it, mozz ... the police for example.//
I think you're probably right about the police, although I don't think they've taken the knee en masse (so to speak). I've seen individual coppers taking the knee in solidarity with others, but not everyone. I guess time will tell about that, but this thread is about a bunch of cricketers. Tora posted the same kind of thread about Formula One, and about footballers. He's fanatical about it.
I think you're probably right about the police, although I don't think they've taken the knee en masse (so to speak). I've seen individual coppers taking the knee in solidarity with others, but not everyone. I guess time will tell about that, but this thread is about a bunch of cricketers. Tora posted the same kind of thread about Formula One, and about footballers. He's fanatical about it.
You have done so here -- and previously anyway -- by talking about Floyd as "a career criminal resisting arrest", rather than acknowledging that nothing he did justified his death. The problem, the flaw in the logic, is always in failing to disconnect the act of arrest with the act of killing him. The former was justified. The latter was not. That is the point.
It’s not difficult, Jim. It won’t fizzle out until people take the message seriously - you said. I don’t take the message seriously and I doubt I ever will because all I see are people using and abusing a situation that, granted, should never have happened, to bring about division, disorder and destruction. I don’t think there’s much in the news that doesn’t involve colour since this happened. There’s now even an attempt to blame Grenfell on racism. It’s becoming utterly ridiculous - but heaven forbid anyone should say so.
// There’s now even an attempt to blame Grenfell on racism. It’s becoming utterly ridiculous - but heaven forbid anyone should say so. //
There's a difference between "blam[ing] Grenfell on racism" and suggesting that it may have been a factor. An event can have multiple causes. Having said that, I don't see how the connection there can exist.
But that's by the by. It is inevitable that soul-searching will ask more questions than it needs to in retrospect. But the entire point about George Floyd's death is that it was not even remotely an isolated incident. Maybe it's a chance to recognise this and to take another step towards addressing the issues that, particularly but not exclusively in the US, have never quite gone away.
There's a difference between "blam[ing] Grenfell on racism" and suggesting that it may have been a factor. An event can have multiple causes. Having said that, I don't see how the connection there can exist.
But that's by the by. It is inevitable that soul-searching will ask more questions than it needs to in retrospect. But the entire point about George Floyd's death is that it was not even remotely an isolated incident. Maybe it's a chance to recognise this and to take another step towards addressing the issues that, particularly but not exclusively in the US, have never quite gone away.
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\\But that's by the by. It is inevitable that soul-searching will ask more questions than it needs to in retrospect. But the entire point about George Floyd's death is that it was not even remotely an isolated incident. Maybe it's a chance to recognise this and to take another step towards addressing the issues that, particularly but not exclusively in the US, have never quite gone away.//
so, how many black people have been klilled by american police this year and how many white people and how many police officers have been killed.
\\But that's by the by. It is inevitable that soul-searching will ask more questions than it needs to in retrospect. But the entire point about George Floyd's death is that it was not even remotely an isolated incident. Maybe it's a chance to recognise this and to take another step towards addressing the issues that, particularly but not exclusively in the US, have never quite gone away.//
so, how many black people have been klilled by american police this year and how many white people and how many police officers have been killed.
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