Anyone Having Worked In Retail ( Or Still Does)

[Bobbisox1]

Will know how abusive the public can be , the wearing of masks from the 24th is going to make matters worse,
Scenario: man / woman walks into store without one
Assistant asks politely “ please wear a mask”
Customer NO!
What then?
For all I agree with it , it can not be policed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53389212

[woofgang]

danny have you got a link for this please?

"Douglas, anyone exempt from wearing a mask must provide proof e.g a doctor's note."

I can find various downloadable stuff but nothing official.

Right from the beginning, our lacal Waitrose has employed staff from a security firm to manage queuing and any other requirements although I agree this may not be an option for small shopkeepers.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Douglas, anyone exempt from wearing a mask must provide proof e.g a doctor's note."

It doesn't say that in the Regs relating to having to wear face coverings on public transport.

It doesn't say that in the Scots Regs relating to face coverings in shops.

[barry1010]

bobbisox, he stood outside on the pavement.

[anneasquith]

Why look for problems before the actual date of implementation? Be sure you wear face coverings, that’s all you need do . No need to give scenarios before the event .. keep yourself safe .

[ToraToraTora]

bobbi: "3Ts , Arh but can shops afford not to in these uncertain times? " - once the arithmetic is done I'll be surprised if they are better off that they were staying closed. Extra staff whose primary job seems to be to repel the customers, extra cleaning and infrastructure costs, I'd say they are not taking enough to cover those costs. certainly seems true of some pubs, thankfully round here I have found a place that is not too annoying.

[New Judge]

//Scenario: man / woman walks into store without one
Assistant asks politely “ please wear a mask”//

//What then? Shopkeeper refuses to serve customer and asks him/her to leave the premises.//

It has been made quite clear from the legislation already in place (shops in Scotland and public transport in Scotland, E&W) that enforcement will not be expected to be undertaken by anybody other than the police.

//We are allowed to deny entry to anyone not wearing a mask (As I understandf the Government guidelines).//

The government guidelines say no such thing at the moment (unless I have missed a recent publication) but of course shops can deny entry to anybody they like provided they don’t discriminate on the grounds of a “protected characteristic”. Disability is one of those characteristics and if anybody has an illness that means they cannot wear a mask then discriminating against them would be illegal.

//Douglas, anyone exempt from wearing a mask must provide proof e.g a doctor's note.//

Really? Where does it say that then, Danny? But more than that, assuming the shop legislation follows that of the public transport rule that say you must wear a mask, that legislation provides a non-exhaustive list of “reasonable excuses” for not wearing one. There are seven listed and five of them are not medically related. How, for example, do you expect a doctor to take the time and trouble to certify that you are “… providing assistance to another person (“B”) and B relies on lip reading to communicate” (even if he could).

Mr Hancock announced yesterday that the move was being introduced to protect shop staff "who have been disproportionately affected by the virus." He's quite correct, they have. They make up 3.4% of the workforce but account for 2.8% of the reported Covid infections.

[Bobbisox1]

Same here 3Ts ( only not yet)

[teacake44]

I wonder how many of the ones that refuse to wear a mask in the UK, will wear one without fuss to get on a plane to go on holiday, and wear one when they get there, such as Spain, and anywhere else that it is in force.?

[New Judge]

//...keep yourself safe .//

The idea of wearing a face covering is not to keep yourself safe, anne (it doesn't). It's to keep everybody else safe (which is debatable). I don't blame you for this misunderstanding; it is difficult to keep up with the drivel spewing out of government offices at present. I've made a point of doing so and yet I still find it difficult. Unfortunately government al local authorities thrive on ignorance and misunderstanding which is what make their handling of this entire business all the more tiresome.+

[teacake44]

10.49 So you know more than the WHO, about masks?

[dannyk13]

NJ //Those who are exempted from wearing a face mask will be asked to get a "face-covering exemption card//

[dannyk13]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11785932/coronavirus-face-mask-shops-public-transport/

[THECORBYLOON]

DANNY, folk can download cards or flyers from the internet saying they are exempt.

I could cobble one together saying I'm exempt, make up a reason, add a logo and print it off.

I can see the need for medical evidence only if there were a prosecution involved.

[dannyk13]

Corby,I was quoting what you need.Obviously these cards can be forged.

[ichkeria]

I don’t agree with the compulsory aspect but I don’t imagine this situation arising much if at all. Most people will probably comply. The ship assistants will rightly be told not to approach people not wearing masks. There may be the odd supervisor who will be charged with sorting out any ”face covering” difficulties, the police may occasionally pop in for a few friendly words of advice, and I dare say we’ll blunder along as we usually do

[Bobbisox1]

If I’m going on holiday TC you can be sure I will adhere to what the country I visit says I must :0)

[THECORBYLOON]

DANNY, Transport for London (TfL) has a card that exempt folk can use to show to staff but they do not say it is a requirement to have one.

[woofgang]

many of the transport services have a card that can be carried, also thw asthma society have got a downloadable one, but they aren't a requirement....certainly a doctor's note isn't. I have got a friend who shows his inhaler so that works too....except I have got a ventolin inhaler quite legitimately for just in case but would be perfectly capapble of wearing a mask.

[woofgang]

sensible posk Ick.

[Ken4155]

There will no doubt be plenty of belligerent morons ready and willing to defy this particular mandate. And some may even become violent toward the shop staff. Was it last week or the week before when a French bus diver was killed by a few passengers who he had refused entry to the bus because they were not wearing masks? If I worked in a shop, i'd be keeping a baseball bat within easy reach.