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Anyone Having Worked In Retail ( Or Still Does)
Will know how abusive the public can be , the wearing of masks from the 24th is going to make matters worse,
Scenario: man / woman walks into store without one
Assistant asks politely “ please wear a mask”
Customer NO!
What then?
For all I agree with it , it can not be policed
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Scenario: man / woman walks into store without one
Assistant asks politely “ please wear a mask”
Customer NO!
What then?
For all I agree with it , it can not be policed
https:/
Answers
FF, the Spanish have the ever present threat of the armed Guardia Civil who seem to have a more “hands on “ approach than our police force.
08:48 Wed 15th Jul 2020
//10.49 So you know more than the WHO, about masks?//
No I don't. But I can read:
However, there are some settings in which it may not be possible to keep physical distancing and the use of a mask could be helpful to provide a barrier to limit the spread of potentially infectious droplets from someone who is infected. In addition, there is some evidence which suggests that some infected people without showing symptoms may be able to transmit the virus others.
"For this reason, WHO advises that governments should encourage the use of non-medical fabric masks, which can act as a barrier to prevent the spread of the virus from the wearer to others where there are many cases of COVID-19, for people in the general public where physical distancing of at least 1 metre is not possible."
Note the use of the word "encourage" and not "compel". Also bear in mind that most people in shops are more than capable of maintaining a 1m distance from others. I do so anyway regardless of the minute threat of catching a virus. The chances of contracting the virus from somebody in a shop are so insignificant that to consider hindering the recovery of businesses which were forcibly closed for three months in order to mitigate such a small risk is incomprehensible. The government has produced no credible evidence for the measure and has simply succumbed to the "granny killers" baying mob on Facebook and Twitface.
No I don't. But I can read:
However, there are some settings in which it may not be possible to keep physical distancing and the use of a mask could be helpful to provide a barrier to limit the spread of potentially infectious droplets from someone who is infected. In addition, there is some evidence which suggests that some infected people without showing symptoms may be able to transmit the virus others.
"For this reason, WHO advises that governments should encourage the use of non-medical fabric masks, which can act as a barrier to prevent the spread of the virus from the wearer to others where there are many cases of COVID-19, for people in the general public where physical distancing of at least 1 metre is not possible."
Note the use of the word "encourage" and not "compel". Also bear in mind that most people in shops are more than capable of maintaining a 1m distance from others. I do so anyway regardless of the minute threat of catching a virus. The chances of contracting the virus from somebody in a shop are so insignificant that to consider hindering the recovery of businesses which were forcibly closed for three months in order to mitigate such a small risk is incomprehensible. The government has produced no credible evidence for the measure and has simply succumbed to the "granny killers" baying mob on Facebook and Twitface.
NJ "The idea of wearing a face covering is not to keep yourself safe, anne (it doesn't). It's to keep everybody else safe (which is debatable)"
Teacake that IS what the WHO say. Page 6 section 2
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Yes in Spain we are all wearing masks in the street, shops, beach ( not if sitting and sunbathing or ofcourse swimming, but going for a stroll yes) and public buildings. No one is complaining and there are no wicked guardia civil on the lookout. If you do get caught not wearing one by the police ( there are, as always, mounted patrols etc.local police, not to be confused with Guardia Civil) you WILL get fined 100€. We wait with bated breath how the Brits will handle this.
NJ, you need to make your mind up @ 11.48 you say that catching the virus in a shop is insignificant, yet @ 10.33 you agree that 2.8% of shop workers have caught the virus, so in my book there is every reason to wear a mask. And its been said many times on here before, unless this virus has effected you or your family you tend to dismiss it as all a fuss about nothing, explain your attitude to the NHS workers, I'm sure they would be more than interested?
//...unless this virus has effected you or your family you tend to dismiss it as all a fuss about nothing,//
Never have I dismissed it as a fuss about nothing. I know three close acquaintances who have died from it and about six more who contracted it but thankfully survived. What I take issue with is the ridiculous way it has been, and continues to be handled by this government. This face covering fiasco is but the latest episode. What I believe is being dismissed is the damage - to the economy, social fabric and health and wellbeing of the nation - that has been caused by its handling. Everybody is enjoying a nice summer break, going to the seaside, days out in the park, shopping trips, theme park visits. But the children cannot go to school and 9m adults are having their wages paid by the taxpayer and look likely to continue receiving that largesse for a few months more. When many of them head back to work a large number of them will find they have no job to return to.
Never have I dismissed it as a fuss about nothing. I know three close acquaintances who have died from it and about six more who contracted it but thankfully survived. What I take issue with is the ridiculous way it has been, and continues to be handled by this government. This face covering fiasco is but the latest episode. What I believe is being dismissed is the damage - to the economy, social fabric and health and wellbeing of the nation - that has been caused by its handling. Everybody is enjoying a nice summer break, going to the seaside, days out in the park, shopping trips, theme park visits. But the children cannot go to school and 9m adults are having their wages paid by the taxpayer and look likely to continue receiving that largesse for a few months more. When many of them head back to work a large number of them will find they have no job to return to.
So in effect your happy for more people to die, it seems to me its only people with money, and lots of it that are more concerned about the economy, and of course there holiday plans. Folk who get by on lesser incomes seem to cope better, as they do so all the time, the ones bleating are just not use to taking such a hit, well they'll just have to suck it up for a change.
Teacake is always misunderstanding things and then bashes away at the keyboard without applying any thought to what is being typed.
All the time the Govt are paying 80% of the wages of people employed in the private sector, many of whom will not be earning bags of money, their employers may as well retain them; once that ends, their employers may not have much of a business in which to continue to employ them so there could be loads of redundancies. It is in every ones interest for the county to get back to normal normal ASAP (in
my view it should have happened long ago).
People paid from the public purse will more than likely be ok.
It really isn’t that hard to comprehend (I would have thought!).
All the time the Govt are paying 80% of the wages of people employed in the private sector, many of whom will not be earning bags of money, their employers may as well retain them; once that ends, their employers may not have much of a business in which to continue to employ them so there could be loads of redundancies. It is in every ones interest for the county to get back to normal normal ASAP (in
my view it should have happened long ago).
People paid from the public purse will more than likely be ok.
It really isn’t that hard to comprehend (I would have thought!).
//So in effect your happy for more people to die,...//
Absolutely. Splitting my sides with laughter every time the death toll is announced. What utter drivel.
You don't seem to understand that the death toll and the numbers suffering serious illness as a result of the measures being taken to prevent the virus spreading will fast overtake those caused by the virus itself. When the nation runs into severe financial difficulties vital services will no longer have funds. The people who will suffer the most from that are the very people you mention - those with less funds of their own and who rely on the government to provide for them.
The government cannot prevent everybody contracting the virus and the measures it is taking to try to do so are inching the country towards financial Armageddon. Then the virus will then be irrelevant because there will be no funds to treat any illnesses. Attempts to tackle the virus are being made at the expense of just about any consideration for anything else. It's nothing to do with being rich or wanting to go on holiday. And it's lunacy.
Absolutely. Splitting my sides with laughter every time the death toll is announced. What utter drivel.
You don't seem to understand that the death toll and the numbers suffering serious illness as a result of the measures being taken to prevent the virus spreading will fast overtake those caused by the virus itself. When the nation runs into severe financial difficulties vital services will no longer have funds. The people who will suffer the most from that are the very people you mention - those with less funds of their own and who rely on the government to provide for them.
The government cannot prevent everybody contracting the virus and the measures it is taking to try to do so are inching the country towards financial Armageddon. Then the virus will then be irrelevant because there will be no funds to treat any illnesses. Attempts to tackle the virus are being made at the expense of just about any consideration for anything else. It's nothing to do with being rich or wanting to go on holiday. And it's lunacy.
As I said on another thread, I prefer a bit of context when the death rate is given in order put this whole sorry episode in some perspective - there's at least one poster on this site (although not currently on this thread) who only ever gives the number, and when I've pointed out the context to him, accuses me of not caring.
It's not that I don't care, but I'm realistic enough to realise that as sad as the deaths are, ruining the economy by continuing this madness will cause more problems, and probably more deaths.
Context...
1) 0.06% of the population who have caught Covid have died.
2) 0.0007% of the population under 45 who have caught Covid have died.
3) People over 75 represent over 90% of the deaths.
4) Somebody over 80 is 70 times more likely to die of Covid than somebody under 40.
From this the sensible conclusions to draw are that we must protect the old and/or vulnerable, but for the vast vast majority of everybody else, and if they are in reasonable health, they are overwhelmingly unlikely to die, and that supposes they catch it in the first place, and with the odds of doing so at 1 in 4000, that alone is unlikely.
It's not that I don't care, but I'm realistic enough to realise that as sad as the deaths are, ruining the economy by continuing this madness will cause more problems, and probably more deaths.
Context...
1) 0.06% of the population who have caught Covid have died.
2) 0.0007% of the population under 45 who have caught Covid have died.
3) People over 75 represent over 90% of the deaths.
4) Somebody over 80 is 70 times more likely to die of Covid than somebody under 40.
From this the sensible conclusions to draw are that we must protect the old and/or vulnerable, but for the vast vast majority of everybody else, and if they are in reasonable health, they are overwhelmingly unlikely to die, and that supposes they catch it in the first place, and with the odds of doing so at 1 in 4000, that alone is unlikely.
19.38 I think your take on the situation is also drivel, thinking of your own ends mainly, and have little regard to human life. Your biggest concern early on in the pandemic was your holiday abroad.
The so called poor as you put it, are use to being on the bread line, due to the big companies getting people to work on zero hours contract, well I for one will be more than happy to see such companies bite the dust, or better still end up paying more and more tax to cover the 80%.
DD if I want to bang away at my keyboard that's exactly what I will do. Just like you have an opinion, so do I, whether you like such or not. You and NJ seem to think your so so correct.
The so called poor as you put it, are use to being on the bread line, due to the big companies getting people to work on zero hours contract, well I for one will be more than happy to see such companies bite the dust, or better still end up paying more and more tax to cover the 80%.
DD if I want to bang away at my keyboard that's exactly what I will do. Just like you have an opinion, so do I, whether you like such or not. You and NJ seem to think your so so correct.
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Ah yes! Abusive customers! Don't dare answer back because in some instances you will be accused of racist abuse, when in fact it had happened the other way round. And the customer then reports the staff member, having abused the staff member in the first place. It happens folks. I know people who it has happened to.
It's not like not wearing a mask isn't the only thing that isn't allowed in shops.
Non-compliance altercations will likely be prevalent in the early days but people's behaviours will change based how the overriding public opinion is towards this topic and the social pressure of other people in and around the shop, after a month or so we'll get a better picture of how this is going to play out in the UK.
Of course there will still be people who want to queue jump, bring their dog in, look like they want to rob the place, be intoxicated, be aggressive, get credit, not wear a mask etc. but then there always will be.
Non-compliance altercations will likely be prevalent in the early days but people's behaviours will change based how the overriding public opinion is towards this topic and the social pressure of other people in and around the shop, after a month or so we'll get a better picture of how this is going to play out in the UK.
Of course there will still be people who want to queue jump, bring their dog in, look like they want to rob the place, be intoxicated, be aggressive, get credit, not wear a mask etc. but then there always will be.
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