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My post preempted yours ymb (!)
I don’t really expect the PM to go, but my point was that he’s so closely associated with this raft of incompetence, seen by many as his obedient weaklings, that if he were to sack him it would be more than hypocritical (see also “Why does Priti Patel yet stalk the corridors of Whitehall :-) )
I suspect he will resign. There are certainly a lot better candidates in his party. The comment about the kids of the future being promoted above their level of competence (he is surely a prime example) ought to be the clincher.
I don’t really expect the PM to go, but my point was that he’s so closely associated with this raft of incompetence, seen by many as his obedient weaklings, that if he were to sack him it would be more than hypocritical (see also “Why does Priti Patel yet stalk the corridors of Whitehall :-) )
I suspect he will resign. There are certainly a lot better candidates in his party. The comment about the kids of the future being promoted above their level of competence (he is surely a prime example) ought to be the clincher.
I'm not sure that's what they are saying though, TCL. They will have to put a positive spin on it but basically they can't deny they didn't sell it properly and have had to cave in to pressure from those affected, from those who didn't really understand it and those who look for any opportunity to attack the government.
They should have tested the waters with this 'algorithm' and had plans in place for dealing with the odd looking results and inevitable disappointments/objections. Someone should have asked the question "it may be fair overall but how will it look if some get given 2 or 3 grades lower than the teacher predicted"
They should have tested the waters with this 'algorithm' and had plans in place for dealing with the odd looking results and inevitable disappointments/objections. Someone should have asked the question "it may be fair overall but how will it look if some get given 2 or 3 grades lower than the teacher predicted"
There is much made in the media about the notion of 'upgrading' of results by teachers.
I bow to the superior knowledge of the present Mrs Hughes in this, having taught and been a Deputy Head in the State sector, and a Head in the Private Sector, as well as a GSCE Marker, and an Ofsted (State) and ISI (Private) sector Inspector, she knows more than the average AB'er on this - myself included.
When I can get anything coherent out of her, as her rage continues unabated at the disgraceful way teachers and students have been treated - she confirms that wholesale upgrading is a media myth amply supported by the government who, as successive governments have done, wants to loudly trumpet its distrust in its teachers by asking them to grade, and then ignoring them in favour of an untested computer system.
The fact is, some upgrading does go on, largely in the private sector where pressure is on to maintain good results to maintain a private market in students, based on parents who imagine that their children will automatically be successful on the basis that the parents have paid for their education.
But even there, the upgrading is nothing like as wholesale and distorted as the media and government would like to pretend. There are ample checks and balances in systems for teachers to be accountable for their grading, and anomalies either by school or by individual teacher, will rapidly become apparent.
Teachers are, by definition, not stupid people, and there is nothing to be gained by them over-grading students and sending into academia that is not suited for them, for them to fail.
So the government has had to climb down and give the results that were available back in May, and thousands of students will have taken their downgraded results and got places in their second or third choice of university.
The appalling treatment of teachers and students will go unsanctioned, as these things always do.
Boris will mumble an apology, Williamson will resign if he has any lingering sense of self-respect and dignity, and be fired or shifted if he does not.
Absence of accountability is the single greatest malady that affects our culture and society as a whole, and here we go again - nothing will be done.
If I was a parent or student in this situation, and anyone said to me that 'lessons will be learned ...' I would happily face an assault charge for the punch in the mouth that they so richly deserve.
(I wouldn't really, but the idea feels better than nothing!!)
I bow to the superior knowledge of the present Mrs Hughes in this, having taught and been a Deputy Head in the State sector, and a Head in the Private Sector, as well as a GSCE Marker, and an Ofsted (State) and ISI (Private) sector Inspector, she knows more than the average AB'er on this - myself included.
When I can get anything coherent out of her, as her rage continues unabated at the disgraceful way teachers and students have been treated - she confirms that wholesale upgrading is a media myth amply supported by the government who, as successive governments have done, wants to loudly trumpet its distrust in its teachers by asking them to grade, and then ignoring them in favour of an untested computer system.
The fact is, some upgrading does go on, largely in the private sector where pressure is on to maintain good results to maintain a private market in students, based on parents who imagine that their children will automatically be successful on the basis that the parents have paid for their education.
But even there, the upgrading is nothing like as wholesale and distorted as the media and government would like to pretend. There are ample checks and balances in systems for teachers to be accountable for their grading, and anomalies either by school or by individual teacher, will rapidly become apparent.
Teachers are, by definition, not stupid people, and there is nothing to be gained by them over-grading students and sending into academia that is not suited for them, for them to fail.
So the government has had to climb down and give the results that were available back in May, and thousands of students will have taken their downgraded results and got places in their second or third choice of university.
The appalling treatment of teachers and students will go unsanctioned, as these things always do.
Boris will mumble an apology, Williamson will resign if he has any lingering sense of self-respect and dignity, and be fired or shifted if he does not.
Absence of accountability is the single greatest malady that affects our culture and society as a whole, and here we go again - nothing will be done.
If I was a parent or student in this situation, and anyone said to me that 'lessons will be learned ...' I would happily face an assault charge for the punch in the mouth that they so richly deserve.
(I wouldn't really, but the idea feels better than nothing!!)
the idea I thought was OK
say there is a class of 40 and they are taking the 11 +
and last year there was a pass rate of 32%
the teacher is asked to rank the pupils - and I have to say from skool that it is pretty obvious who is brightest and who is a slacker
and there is a cut off at 32 % so you only have to chinner about the middle 5 pupils
The only problem is in 1965 in our Maff a level
I got an A and the next got an E and eight failed
and oo-er I dont think they shold rely on THOSE to determine the next year !
say there is a class of 40 and they are taking the 11 +
and last year there was a pass rate of 32%
the teacher is asked to rank the pupils - and I have to say from skool that it is pretty obvious who is brightest and who is a slacker
and there is a cut off at 32 % so you only have to chinner about the middle 5 pupils
The only problem is in 1965 in our Maff a level
I got an A and the next got an E and eight failed
and oo-er I dont think they shold rely on THOSE to determine the next year !
PP - // the other thing is that they cd open their doors and then have a huge chuck out rate after one year
with the bitter words - well we gave you a chance //
I believe it is less a 'chuck out' policy, than the simple fact that 33% of new students find that university is not for them, and drop out during or after the first year.
Bearing in mind that this is one in three of a section of people who actively studied and applied to get into a university, only to find that it is not for them - it shows into sharp relief the utterly fatuous nonsense uttered by the utterly fatuous Tony Blair that 'fifty per cent of eighteen year olds should be going to university.
No doubt chancellors rubbing their hands together at the thought of all those fees, drop-out or not, was a sound Tony loved to hear, but back here in the real world, the simple fact is that university is not for everyone, appropriate A' Level results or not.
with the bitter words - well we gave you a chance //
I believe it is less a 'chuck out' policy, than the simple fact that 33% of new students find that university is not for them, and drop out during or after the first year.
Bearing in mind that this is one in three of a section of people who actively studied and applied to get into a university, only to find that it is not for them - it shows into sharp relief the utterly fatuous nonsense uttered by the utterly fatuous Tony Blair that 'fifty per cent of eighteen year olds should be going to university.
No doubt chancellors rubbing their hands together at the thought of all those fees, drop-out or not, was a sound Tony loved to hear, but back here in the real world, the simple fact is that university is not for everyone, appropriate A' Level results or not.
I admit I don't have a dog in this race so perhaps have a slightly skewed view but I am fed up of posh students on the relly telling me how their life has been ruined by this. If its SO important to you to get into your top choice uni the defer a year and actually take the exams. Then see if you get the grades you "deserve" (another phrase I'm mightily sick of hearing)
that might be an idea if we knew what's going to happen next year, bednobs; but it might just be out of the frying pan into the fire and a year wasted.
But jno jnr had to go with a second choise uni after an unexplained screwup with his and his friends' marks years ago; he had a good time and ended up with an MA (more than I ever did) and now has a good job that has nothing to do with English literature. But he's very happy he went anyway.
But jno jnr had to go with a second choise uni after an unexplained screwup with his and his friends' marks years ago; he had a good time and ended up with an MA (more than I ever did) and now has a good job that has nothing to do with English literature. But he's very happy he went anyway.
Andy-hughes - Mr J2 will sympathise with your inability to communicate with an incoherently furious teaching professional. He's suffering from the same problem and learning an awful lot about exam marking and processes (I was an examiner at for both English and Art, also KS3). I think he's keeping-up. I was always meticulous about predicted grades, marked hard at mocks and so far as I know all my colleagues were the same. Maybe my blood-pressure will come down a bit now - but not a lot!
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