....And They Wonder Why They Are Being Locked Down!

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-large-crowd-dispersed-from-liverpool-city-centre-two-hours-before-tough-tier-3-restrictions-begin-12103642

[jim360]

// The only person that can prevent you contracting the virus is you. //

Sadly this isn't true, and this is essentially the problem. I'm not intending to blame others for spreading the virus either, but it's certainly not entirely within an individual's control. If the virus can survive on surfaces for a long time, which seems to be true, then merely keeping your distance from others won't be enough; those surfaces may also need to be cleaned, and so on. Nor is it difficult to imagine how other people could, however accidentally, invade your personal space and ruin your best efforts.

Put bluntly, controlling the spread of any disease is a community effort, that requires a community-level response and not just an individual-level response. Even if you assume that everybody is 100% sane and devoted to controlling the spread in their own way that won't be enough (and, besides, that won't be much different from a nationwide voluntary lockdown).

[New Judge]

//The people calling for a full lockdown are Keir Starmer and the Labour party.//

Indeed. And I believe they are only doing that because (for the moment anyway) the Conservative government is not. It's a win-win for Labour. If it's not done any consequences will be met with "told you so." If it is done and it succeeds (which it will do to a greater or lesser degree - for its duration only) it will be "see what a great idea we had (if only people would listen to and vote for - us)"

[Peter Pedant]

// And They Wonder Why They Are Being Locked Down!//

yes stand back and stand by LIverpool fans

( according to one of the really crazy threads today - these are the strongest possible words of condemnation - - o god lets hear it for AB)

[Peter Pedant]

// And I believe they are only doing that because (for the moment anyway) the Conservative government is not.//

erm not a surprise - the duty of her majestys opposition is to oppose - I believe
and I didnt make that up - it is some C19 dead white lawyer innit?

Dont get a disease which has been politicised - you will never get the best treatment. - - - now I DID make that one up

[iluvmargie]

13:17 oh yes I do think he is blaming the elderly. This is not his first nasty comment about older people. If the economy is being destroyed to protect them, as you seem to think it is, I say again, it is NOT their fault, but the government's. They are the ones bringing in all the rules.

[naomi24]

Margie, no one is blaming the elderly. You've misunderstood dave's post.

[New Judge]

//If the virus can survive on surfaces for a long time, which seems to be true, then merely keeping your distance from others won't be enough; those surfaces may also need to be cleaned, and so on. Nor is it difficult to imagine how other people could, however accidentally, invade your personal space and ruin your best efforts.//

It's called risk, Jim. You assess the risk and act accordingly. I don't expect everybody else to stay locked up to "keep me safe" and I'm not doing so in an attempt to reciprocate.

[naomi24]

//If the virus can survive on surfaces for a long time, which seems to be true, then merely keeping your distance from others won't be enough; those surfaces may also need to be cleaned, and so on. Nor is it difficult to imagine how other people could, however accidentally, invade your personal space and ruin your best efforts.//

How long can that level of paranoia be indulged? Seriously?

[New Judge]

It was the "invasion of personal space" that took my eye. The likelihood of contracting the virus as a result of a passing encounter closer than a metre or so must be about as close to zero as can be imagined. As well as that I cannot recall the last time somebody came closer to me than I wanted them to, either by accident or design. I don't really know of an adequate term to describe this irrational fear because "paranoia" does not seem quite enough. I think such concerns must be bordering on the edge of a mental illness.

[dave50]

In no way am I blaming the elderly, its not their fault that they are the most vulnerable. We have to find a way of shielding the vulnerable but let everyone else keep the economy moving and creating wealth so we can fund the NHS and all other services we rely on. We can't just keep locking down every few months, stalling the economy isnt just some irritating consequence that we can just ignore, it is extremely important to keep it thriving for everyone's sake.