T R O P Men At It Again.........

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/calderdale-and-bradford-29-men-charged-over-alleged-child-sexual-exploitation-of-female-victim-12304695
why does it take so long to get these savages out of circulation?

[Untitled]

"God! This is hard work! The perpetrators deserve it. I think I've made that very clear. Sheesh!"

When you said "the culture responsible", did you or did you not mean Islam? Because you were very clear earlier in the thread that you consider islam primarily responsible.

[douglas9401]

Some might say that the usual spraff lost any credibility when Hitler was shoehorned in earlier.

[ToraToraTora]

oh know dougie, not Godwins law! PMSL!

[ToraToraTora]

oh no! not oh know! doh!

[Chinajan]

Pass the Pampers mother. I'm going in.

[naomi24]

Untitled, There is a culture *within Islam* that deems non-Islamic girls fair game, that includes the abusers under discussion - and also the men mostly of North African/Middle Eastern heritage who sexually assaulted over 1000 woman in Germany and elsewhere on New Year’s Eve a few years ago - the common factor between all - Islam. Now that doesn’t mean that all Muslim men abuse non-Muslim women. They don’t. I can’t make it any clearer so I’ve nothing more to say at the moment.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // Now out of the 29 if some are non muslim or non practicing muslim then great but in all honesty look at the list and find me the non muslims! //

Obviously neither of us know which, if any of the individuals is a practicing Muslim.

But the difference between our positions is this - I suggested that possibly some or all of them may not be Muslims, you are categorically insisting that they are, therefore i think the burden of proof rests firmly with you rather than me, would you not agree?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // the common factor between all - Islam. Now that doesn’t mean that all Muslim men abuse non-Muslim women. They don’t. I can’t make it any clearer so I’ve nothing more to say at the moment. //

If it's a 'common factor', but does not actually privide definitive proof that it is a factor in the behaviour of these men, then why is it an issue to be raised and discussed at all?

They all have black hair and brown eyes, but I don't think we are making that a 'factor' either - but then, why would we? It's as relevant as them being Muslims, after all - as you are now suddenly keen to point out.

[davebro]

Wiki : "during the islamic invasion of India in the early second millenium, many captured Hindu soldiers and civilians including boys were routinely castrated and used for homosexual exploitation by the muslim army."

Tit for tat?

[pixie374]

Hi, I got a bit bored with the circling. But ttt, are you seriously asking me why you chose to post a thread about Muslim paedophiles, rather than any other? If they are all muslim- it's because that's what you chose to post. Just like naomi's examples.
So, you tell me... why are you only posting about Muslim paedophiles?

[royfromaus]

Why does this particular set of sex perverts (predominantly Muslim/Pakistanis) get ABers at each other's throats like no other...such as BBC 70's sex pervs or Catholic Priests sex pervs?

[pixie374]

Roy, because this tends to be the only one where anything is blamed, except the actual individuals. And it's dangerous to allow them their excuses. Or to be too biased to look for the real reasons. Religion might well be a small part. But clearly there are much more prevalent factors.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "So, you tell me... why are you only posting about Muslim paedophiles?" - they are the ones in the news Item we are discussing. I don't understand, do you want me to dig up some cases of non muslim paedophiles? we discuss cases as they arise on here in news. Any idea why the 29 are not assorted yet?

[pixie374]

TTT, you seemed to be seriously asking why all those in your link appear to be Muslim. The obvious answer is because this is the link you chose to post, and focus on the religion.
And yes... that would be more honest at least. Maybe next week, links to 10 atheist paedophiles, so we can all discuss why atheism is the main problem....

[pixie374]

And yes, Archibaldy at least, has given an answer.

[Peter Pedant]

// If 'maleness' is the fundamental problem we would see male names from an assortment of cultures on that list - but we don't//

the only child abusers are muslim - good one

non sequitur but just for the record - should read;

If 'maleness' were not the fundamental problem we would see names from an assortment of GENDERS on that list - but we don't'

is the valid logical statement - at present the gender and religion are correlated and cant be distinguished in that data set

and as for - no christians abuse children - o jesus wept

[andres]

I don't think religion has anything to do with these crimes .The abuse against white girls has been going on for years. Ever since the early sixties when the Pakistanis started coming over to work here . Back then I don't think many people in our area had heard of Muslims let alone Islam. The Pakistanis were often single young men and obviously started looking round for female company. They often found willing local white girls but this caused bother with our young lads and that's when P*** B****** started. Goodness only knows what would have happened back then if the Asian sex gangs had been around. They came much later. I don't think the problem has anything to do with religion . The men involved were sexual predators

[andy-hughes]

TTT - you keep scattergunning questions that people on here cannot answer - I doubt if Pixie knows why this has not been sorted, I don't know if the individuals are Muslims or not.

But oddly, when I ask you to prove that they are Muslims, you can't answer.

Which is fine, you can't know, so maybe you should stop constantly demanding answers from others who are equally not equipped with the facts.

I don't mind you not knowing, I mind you getting stroppy because no-one else can know either.
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[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "TTT, you seemed to be seriously asking why all those in your link appear to be Muslim. The obvious answer is because this is the link you chose to post, and focus on the religion." - Yes I chose the story and it was the latest of many like this. You and others have been banging on about it being a man thing rather than a muslim trait. If so the list would be assorted. I assume you therefore concede the point.
"And yes... that would be more honest at least. Maybe next week, links to 10 atheist paedophiles, so we can all discuss why atheism is the main problem..." - Happy to. When it's in the news I will do the same when a grooming gang of non muslims is identified in a similar situation, ok? Might be a long wait.

[pixie374]

Sex, not gender, pp. In any case, just the first four letters in the OP, showed the intention was blaming "others". It was never intended to be a real conversation about what causes people to be paedophiles, and what, if anything can be done about it.