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Caring Government?
Do those at Westminster really care so little about us? Nobody wants another lockdown but with the rising numbers.................. Yes, I do know it's the Daily Wail!
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Surely untitled... even if you think a post xmas circuit breaker is to late... its still worth doing. Limiting family gatherings can only be advisable anyway... can't see anyone going to court for having one or two grandchilds or granparents too many for Xmas Dinner.
A circuit breaker is better after xmas if we delay schools going back and stop new years eve parties. At least those infected over the few days at Christmas won't be going out as much after boxing day to infect others if there's a circuit brake
A circuit breaker is better after xmas if we delay schools going back and stop new years eve parties. At least those infected over the few days at Christmas won't be going out as much after boxing day to infect others if there's a circuit brake
in the end this virus is not going away, and variants are always going to show up, so i guess it's herd immunity or lock yourself away from the world sadly, most peoople will fare well if they catch it, who knows maybe they will find a permanent cure solution etc, but knowing big pharma theres no money in a cure but in the medicine.
Herd immunity doesnt work here though fender as immunity, like the vaccinne, wears off,,, and before we get close to the levels needed the hospitals could of been overloaded and lots more dead of/with/by covid (plus those dying/very ill from missing other treatments).
Ut my main query for maggie is why shes asking about Westminster and not directing her point to Nicola as its in her hands not Boris's hands for Scotland. Presume maggiebee thinks Nicola is equally uncaring
Ut my main query for maggie is why shes asking about Westminster and not directing her point to Nicola as its in her hands not Boris's hands for Scotland. Presume maggiebee thinks Nicola is equally uncaring
Remember the very first days of Covid, where they spoke about "flattening the curve"? Taking measures to try to limit the pace at which Covid spread through the population, so that we could get immunity by infection, but not at such a rate that it completely overwhelmed the system.
Then they realised that hundreds of thousands would die if they did that, and the cost was too great for them. So we waited for vaccines.
Now we're in a similar position again. Similar, but better. We have many people vaccinated and boosted. We have some people not vaccinated, or at least not fully. And we have some people who can't be vaccinated.
Omicron appears to spread faster (and more easily) and to be less harmful (although its long Covid effects are unknown). Because it's less harmful, it may be the perfect virus to let rip through the population and (kind of) immunise the unvaccinated against Covid and the vaccinated against Omicron. Unfortunately, because it spreads faster and more easily, those people who it does harm will be great in number in a short space of time, maybe again, just like the first time, at such a rate that it completely overwhelms the system.
My inclination is to let it rip, but I'm glad it's not my decision to make. The problem is that, by the time you realise you got it wrong (if you did), it will have spread so far so fast that a large pipeline of people will imminently suffer serious harm or die and there'll be nothing that can be done about it.
For myself, I'm going to be cautious leading up to Christmas, not because I'm concerned about death or serious harm to myself, but because I want to spend Christmas feeling well with the family, not lousy on my own. After Christmas, triple jabbed as I am, it will be business as usual ... and that's how I expect a lot of people are thinking, without needing their government to tell them.
Then they realised that hundreds of thousands would die if they did that, and the cost was too great for them. So we waited for vaccines.
Now we're in a similar position again. Similar, but better. We have many people vaccinated and boosted. We have some people not vaccinated, or at least not fully. And we have some people who can't be vaccinated.
Omicron appears to spread faster (and more easily) and to be less harmful (although its long Covid effects are unknown). Because it's less harmful, it may be the perfect virus to let rip through the population and (kind of) immunise the unvaccinated against Covid and the vaccinated against Omicron. Unfortunately, because it spreads faster and more easily, those people who it does harm will be great in number in a short space of time, maybe again, just like the first time, at such a rate that it completely overwhelms the system.
My inclination is to let it rip, but I'm glad it's not my decision to make. The problem is that, by the time you realise you got it wrong (if you did), it will have spread so far so fast that a large pipeline of people will imminently suffer serious harm or die and there'll be nothing that can be done about it.
For myself, I'm going to be cautious leading up to Christmas, not because I'm concerned about death or serious harm to myself, but because I want to spend Christmas feeling well with the family, not lousy on my own. After Christmas, triple jabbed as I am, it will be business as usual ... and that's how I expect a lot of people are thinking, without needing their government to tell them.
Ellipsis, my only rider to that would be that Christmas is really only the beginning of winter, when the NHS is stretched at the best of times. The first wave of Covid didn't hit till a few weeks later in the year. We had to go without Christmas last year to protect the NHS. We're probably not going to do that again, for political reasons, but if people start partying again on Boxing Day the infection rate will soar (it's already its highest ever).
Fewer people will die, which is good, but hospitals still run the risk of being clogged up by a variant which seems to be much more infectious than its predececessors. Plus the risk I mentioned earlier: the more the infections, the greater scope there is for more variants to emerge.
Businesses may be damaged by shutdowns but they're already being damaged by waves of staff going off sick, either because they haven't had three jabs yet (or maybe even one) or because the jabs don't work against all variants, a problem that could get worse.
Fewer people will die, which is good, but hospitals still run the risk of being clogged up by a variant which seems to be much more infectious than its predececessors. Plus the risk I mentioned earlier: the more the infections, the greater scope there is for more variants to emerge.
Businesses may be damaged by shutdowns but they're already being damaged by waves of staff going off sick, either because they haven't had three jabs yet (or maybe even one) or because the jabs don't work against all variants, a problem that could get worse.
jno, if you could pretty much guarantee that most people wouldn't end up in hospital or die, then you could just get on with life. A "mild" Covid like Omicron is better for the unvaccinated-by-choice minority to suffer with because they are less likely to be hospitalised or killed by it, and they'll end up with better immunity against a more serious mutation. That's even more the case for those of us that have been vaccinated.
The only things to be concerned about are:
1) How to protect those that can't be vaccinated (who I care about, but I don't think it can be realistically done by shutting down the whole country until "this things blows over")
2) Whether most people behaving fairly normally will result in the overwhelming the system, in which case some kind of "flattening the curve" (up to, but hopefully short of, full lockdown) will be needed
The big problem is the unvaccinated-by-choice. When 80% of people in hospital are in that category, as they are now, it's clear that if Omicron hits all in that category in a very short space of time, the system is far more likely to become overwhelmed.
The only things to be concerned about are:
1) How to protect those that can't be vaccinated (who I care about, but I don't think it can be realistically done by shutting down the whole country until "this things blows over")
2) Whether most people behaving fairly normally will result in the overwhelming the system, in which case some kind of "flattening the curve" (up to, but hopefully short of, full lockdown) will be needed
The big problem is the unvaccinated-by-choice. When 80% of people in hospital are in that category, as they are now, it's clear that if Omicron hits all in that category in a very short space of time, the system is far more likely to become overwhelmed.
Politicians lash out blindly or reach for the shotgun when faced with difficult problems.
Being seen to be doing something is paramount, regardless of results.
Their biggest fear is not piles of bodies in the street and hospitals queued out the door but that their footnote in history is unflattering, damaging their ego, hence the busy bee approach.
Being seen to be doing something is paramount, regardless of results.
Their biggest fear is not piles of bodies in the street and hospitals queued out the door but that their footnote in history is unflattering, damaging their ego, hence the busy bee approach.
