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// and me, i don't want to see him go,//
be careful for what you wish for - - as one of the usual suspects mournfully says er so often -

going to Ukraine in order to save his job ( the PM that is!)
god I can think of many better reasons... ho hum
dobro jutro - that is good morning in Serbian ( or CPB)
hi Jim
no I think you amongst a country of particular liars to be honest. oh and when you go abroad ( tennis anyone?) dont forget to buy your covid negative cert at the airport
naomi24
Boris is a decent human being.
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Oh dear
Petronella Wyatt and his other former partners and wives might contest that
// Boris is a decent human being. He makes mistakes and misjudgments, but he's been presented with an unprecedented task and he's worked damned hard. //

I'm sure he's not the only one who's worked "damned hard" through the pandemic, but he's certainly the only one who was responsible for setting strict, if necessary, rules, and then breaking them. It was clear that the concept of having parties -- or even a small drinks session -- at work was prohibited through the lockdown. This message was enforced, for example, throughout the wider Civil Service beyond Whitehall.

I don't, as it happens, think that he should leave office because of the parties. I do, however, seriously question his judgement in failing to realise that the way to make this whole thing a non-issue was to be upfront about it from the start.
Sticky, if you believe any adult sees a PM as an example to follow.... I feel properly sorry for you. Accurate advice, yes. Example, no thanks!
naomi24
Boris is a decent human being. He makes mistakes and misjudgments, but he's been presented with an unprecedented task and he's worked damned hard. In his situation if I was asked about illegal parties at Downing Street I too would deny them because I don’t consider work colleagues having a glass of wine together at work to be illegal at all.
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You do notice the massive flaw in your argument ?
Even you must see that ?
By the very legislation that Boris introduced they WERE illegal so denying them is lying
and he broke all his own rules
You do understand that at least ?

I guess in your world he worked so damn hard that he just had to have a beer or three whilst regularly surrounded by colleagues

That the majority of the public were not doing and dare not

Yeah
What a decent human being eh ? Lol
pixie374
Sticky, if you believe any adult sees a PM as an example to follow.... I feel properly sorry for you. Accurate advice, yes. Example, no thanks!
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Save your pity for yourself
You certainly have mine

The depth and gravity of what he has been doing are clearly beyond your comprehension
Maybe I just disagree.
What some people seem to be misunderstanding is there were certain groups, whose work was considered important enough, to continue to work and naturally that included the government. It is obvious that the non mixing rule cannot apply to those groups, whether or not they had a so called party.
Although curiously the PM doesn’t use that as a defence.

What is alleged to have happened after Cummings went though was …. a party.
Vulcan, // What some people seem to be misunderstanding…//

… is whatever it suits them to misunderstand.
// What some people seem to be misunderstanding is there were certain groups, whose work was considered important enough, to continue to work and naturally that included the government. //

I don't think anyone has a problem with them doing their work.

//I don't think anyone has a problem with them doing their work. //

I think you're right, archibaldy. In fact I don't think anyone has a problem with them at all - just with Boris.
Don't like any of them but Boris is still the best of a very bad bunch..
\\ I don't think anyone has a problem with them doing their work.//
I should hope not, these people were doing what they were asked and that was to carry on working. The example I gave previously was the bosses of such companies gave a small party on Fridays to thank their workers for the efforts they made, in spite of added difficulties, in getting to work. Aren't there extenuating circumstances in these cases?
Trouble is Johnson can’t use that defence because he originally denied any of it happened.
The ones he’s known to have attended he now has to claim weren’t parties or he’d be admitting lying to parliament.
The difficulty with a few of them is they’ll probably turn out undeniably to have been parties and then, if it’s proved he knew about them or was there, he’s had it
No Vulcan I cannot agree with that. They supposedly helped shape the rules and all other people working hard were expected to follow that rules when they had finished working. So must those who are supposed to be setting an example to the rest of us. Failure to do so makes them unfit for purpose.
Boris will never resign. He is surrounded by pee hees (sycophants) who hang on to his coat tails. Born into privilege, I'm sure he feels he is entitled to do what he wants.
//I think you're right, archibaldy. In fact I don't think anyone has a problem with them at all - just with Boris.//

I do. I have a problem with all of those who framed and enacted laws which they flagrantly defied themselves. You suggest they could not avoid mixing for work purposes, naomi. But that's exactly what employees of other businesses were told to do. The government has access to all the technology required to work remotely. There was no need for the vast majority of their gatherings to have taken place at all. However, accepting that there was (solely for the purpose of this debate) those gatherings should have been restricted to the barest minimum required to get the work done. But they were not.

//In his situation if I was asked about illegal parties at Downing Street I too would deny them because I don’t consider work colleagues having a glass of wine together at work to be illegal at all.//

It shouldn't be illegal, but it was. Ms Gray remarks:

"Some behaviour at the gatherings is difficult to justify given the public was being asked to accept far-reaching restrictions on their lives."

But more than that, most large commercial organisations banned the consumption of alcohol on company premises long ago - probably thirty years or more for most of them. Yet we see Ms Gray report this:

"The excessive consumption of alcohol is not appropriate in a professional workplace at any time"

And nor it is. But here we see politicians and their lackies in the highest offices in government, treating these draconian restrictions on civil liberties as a joke and something which certainly doesn't apply to them.

And now we move to the police. The Met was not interested in these matters as they occurred. But now they have launched investigations into dozens of breaches, some of which happened almost two years ago, and this has thwarted the publication of Ms Gray's full report. Why this should be is anybody's guess. There will be no trials of any of any these allegations and even if there were they would be held in the Magistrates' Court, so no question of a jury being swayed by adverse comments in her report. And the Met's interest has suddenly been ignited. Why? The whole debacle is a disgrace and the buck stops at the top.
Where I worked alcohol was not only banned in the workplace but if Security decided to stop and search your car either entering the car park or leaving it and found some, even in the boot wrapped and ready to take home, they reported it and written reprimand was issued.
Any found in an open container and ready to drink resulted in dismissal.
Needless to say I wasn't working at No. 10.

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