Corporal Punishment In Schools

[tiggerblue10]

What are your thoughts on this and would you be happy to see it introduced in the UK?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/25/missouri-school-district-reinstates-spanking

[bhg481]

Yes, with the opt-in clause.

[davebro]

My grammar school had caning (by the head master). It may have been a deterrent for a lot of us. Can't say it went any way to correcting the behaviour of the regular recipients.

[douglas9401]

Two rapid to the ribs may have a more lasting effect.

[gness]

Not at all, Tiggs. The only parents or teachers who hit children are those who are failures as parents or teachers.

You don't have to be violent to bring children up well.

[davebro]

BTW - I do think birching (of adults) would be a suitable punishment and possible deterrent for low level criminality instead of than curfews, ASBOs, community orders etc.

[jno]

no. Institutionalise violence and people grow up thinking it's okay.

[davebro]

too many already think it's OK - we've passed that threshold.

[andy-hughes]

No. Teaching children that violence is the way towards any sort of behavioral change is utterly wrong.

Surely we are not going to start pandering to ineffective bullies who are unable to sanction their children except by hitting them.

What's next - children in cotton mills and up chimneys?

It's a barbaric idea, and belongs where it is, in our uneducated and less understanding past.

[Zacs-Master]

'What's next - children in cotton mills and up chimneys?'

That's a bit of a leap, Andy.

[Zacs-Master]

That's not what this is about, Yesits.

[barry1010]

I was caned a few times at school and would hate for my grandchildren to get the same treatment.
The same children were caned repeatedly, rarely did it improve behaviour and was worn as some sort of badge of pride by many of the miscreants.
A few teachers were unable to control their tempers, and one or two got a thrill from it.

Detention was a much more effective punishment for me.

[jno]

I don't know, ZM - I always assumed prison ships were done away with in the 19th century, but apparently there was one in use this century. There are always people trying to bring back Victorian values.

[douglas9401]

If we're leaping then, Ukraine must cease and desist immediately, rolling over and surrendering lest they be thought barbaric and cruel.

[Zacs-Master]

'There are always people trying to bring back Victorian values'

When the general strike happens and we're all huddled around a candle on Christmas day, I'm sure it will feel very Victorian, Gromit.

Apologies, tigger, the thread seems to be getting rather off-subject.

[bednobs]

Gromit hasn't even posted

[jno]

I am channelling him while he holidays in the Caribbean, bednobs.

[Ken4155]

They only did away with it in 2001!

"Administrators will implement corporal punishment as a "last resort"......

Yeah, we know how that goes.

[Peter Pedant]

if you cant beat them join them
here it is - if you beat them, and then beat them a bit more !

that'll teach them

[Sqad]

Yes.

I have yet to see any evidence, scientific or anecdotal that the abolition of corporal punishment in schools has had a modifying effect on violence on present society.......in fact quite the opposite......society has become more violent.

As a last resort and performed in a reasonable manner, I see no reason not to re-introduce corporal punishment back in our schools. We are knee deep in Psychiatric syndromes, situations and diagnosis were if confirmed as a cause of disruptive behaviour can be excluded from corporal punishment.

Would the ewintroction have much benefit? I doubt it, but the present philosophy certainly isn't working and should be abandoned in favour of some other presumed method of punishment.

Corporal punishment was the method then......and somebody decided it didn't work........abolishment is now and certainly isn't working and now someone has suggested that we go back to square one.

Not a perfect solution , but I am all for it.