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'Woman' Rapes Two Women Using 'Her' Penis And Is Sent To A Woman's Jail.
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Jesus wept - who agrees this is absurd?
And why the hell is the Mail referring to somebody with a penis who rapes women as 'her'?
In his most recent Netflix special, Ricky Gervais had a routine about this very scenario, which was hilarious because it was so absurd. Paraphrasing "He raped me", "you mean she raped you", "but he had a penis", "she had a penis you effing bigot". But clearly it wasn't that absurd after all!
Jesus wept - who agrees this is absurd?
And why the hell is the Mail referring to somebody with a penis who rapes women as 'her'?
In his most recent Netflix special, Ricky Gervais had a routine about this very scenario, which was hilarious because it was so absurd. Paraphrasing "He raped me", "you mean she raped you", "but he had a penis", "she had a penis you effing bigot". But clearly it wasn't that absurd after all!
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OK TTT.
In the interest of sound debate, be rest assure my temperament will be equable. Let us adopt a rational approach to matters which concern us.
Firstly your query // Relevance of the parsec //
1. OP failed to grasp the concept of the parsec yet professed to have a degree in Physics or Astronomy (at this time I cannot remember which).
2. GD is a diagnosed medical condition.
3. OP not only dismisses GD as a medical condition, claims those health professionals are indulging them in their fantasy. In fact, transgenderism is just a figment of their imagination.
4. Zebu asks if OP will disclose their medical qualifications.
5. Since OP's MQs were not forthcoming, this raises the following question.
In the face of GD medical specialists at the very top of their profession, since OP has already failed in one branch of science (see point 1 above), what good reason is there to assume he is an expert in the sphere of medical science, namely gender dysphoria?
Your other query // Why do you support a rapist //
Time is precious today so I shall answer later.
Your turn. Shoot...
youngmafbog // Get a life man //
Hahahaha... That's exactly what I had been doing over the last 4 days
Apart from skulking around these boards, what did you do in those four days?
Incidentally have you considered voluntary work?
Naomi // It’s ridiculous. //
I am unable to accept this since it has grave implications for all those genuine trans people.
All being well folks see you to morrow.
In the interest of sound debate, be rest assure my temperament will be equable. Let us adopt a rational approach to matters which concern us.
Firstly your query // Relevance of the parsec //
1. OP failed to grasp the concept of the parsec yet professed to have a degree in Physics or Astronomy (at this time I cannot remember which).
2. GD is a diagnosed medical condition.
3. OP not only dismisses GD as a medical condition, claims those health professionals are indulging them in their fantasy. In fact, transgenderism is just a figment of their imagination.
4. Zebu asks if OP will disclose their medical qualifications.
5. Since OP's MQs were not forthcoming, this raises the following question.
In the face of GD medical specialists at the very top of their profession, since OP has already failed in one branch of science (see point 1 above), what good reason is there to assume he is an expert in the sphere of medical science, namely gender dysphoria?
Your other query // Why do you support a rapist //
Time is precious today so I shall answer later.
Your turn. Shoot...
youngmafbog // Get a life man //
Hahahaha... That's exactly what I had been doing over the last 4 days
Apart from skulking around these boards, what did you do in those four days?
Incidentally have you considered voluntary work?
Naomi // It’s ridiculous. //
I am unable to accept this since it has grave implications for all those genuine trans people.
All being well folks see you to morrow.
Studies carried out on transgender people who have been diagnosed with GD, have revealed brain structural characteristics and brain activation patterns to look like that of the gender they identify with.
In denying the science you have unwittingly categorised yourself as a flat earther or some other mumbo jumbo conspiracy theorist.
In denying the science you have unwittingly categorised yourself as a flat earther or some other mumbo jumbo conspiracy theorist.
One of the problems with threads like this is that there are a lot of people talking *about* trans women, but very few people talking *to* trans women, let alone listening to them. And I'd guess there's no input to this thread *from* trans women. So far, at least.
First, to the main story: I don't know this person, I don't know their motivations, I don't know their story. I only know that this person was convicted of rape. Common sense is all that's needed here to tell you that there's no place for them in a women's prison if doing so means that the safety of the other prisoners cannot be guaranteed. That's all. It should be the same for any sex offender, or other high-risk prisoner. No self-ID laws, no Gender Recognition Certificate, can or should change that. I'd personally argue that it says more about the prison system, that the safety of prisoners can often not be guaranteed, be it from common or sexual assault, and that needs to be addressed -- but certainly, a person convicted of rape doesn't have any freedom to be in a position to rape again, or even have the opportunity to do so. It's a tragic case, but it's simply wrong to use this as a framing for discussing transgender people.
Secondly... yes. Trans people exist. A trans woman is a transgender person who identifies as a woman. A trans man is a transgender person who identifies as a man. It's not a question of surgery, or chromosomes, or anything else biological; of course, these things strongly correlate with how a person sees themselves and how they are seen by others, but they are not necessarily the same. Indeed, this insistence on interacting with people only on things you can't know, but only assume, seems so reductive. Why does it matter whether a person is XX, or XY, when you never tested this? Why does it matter what's inside a person's underwear when you'll never get to see it? This is what gender is about. It's your prerogative, I suppose, to care exclusively about a person's chromosomal make-up, but it's not an objective rule that must be obeyed.
As a matter of fact, too, I've spent a lot of time interacting with cis women, and I never encountered a problem yet. They've all seemed eager to welcome me to the sisterhood, be it as shop assistants eagerly helping me to pick out the best clothes and make-up, or all my women friends being instantly accepting, or welcoming me into women's spaces, etc etc.... I honestly find that it's the *men* in my life who have the biggest hang-ups. Well, that and people on this site. I can certainly see why if someone barged in to a women-only space, asserted that they were a woman, and brooked no dissent or discomfort at all from those around them, then there'd be an issue. But your problem there is because such a person is a disrespectful a-hole, not because of their gender identity per se. Women aren't under threat because sometimes they share spaces with trans women.
It's not an age thing either: I was at a concert recently, where apart from me I'd guess that the average age was in the mid- to high 60s. Either nobody knew I was trans, or more likely, nobody cared. Total strangers were friendly, we conversed about the concert, instruments we'd played as children, and one kind soul offered me and my friend a lift (it was very cold!). Mutual respect goes a long way.
I suspect part of this is because of the sad fact that, for most people, all they see when it comes to transgender people is stories like this one: someone convicted of rape, in all likelihood lying through their teeth in the (thankfully vain) hope of exploiting the system, making a mockery of trans people. But we just want to play an equal part in society, and be respected. That's all. It isn't too much to ask. Just be respectful.
Finally, on a minor point, I did glance at New Judge's explanation for parsecs -- maybe it's not perfect, but I honestly don't understand why ZebuSanctuary has been going on about it to such an extent.
First, to the main story: I don't know this person, I don't know their motivations, I don't know their story. I only know that this person was convicted of rape. Common sense is all that's needed here to tell you that there's no place for them in a women's prison if doing so means that the safety of the other prisoners cannot be guaranteed. That's all. It should be the same for any sex offender, or other high-risk prisoner. No self-ID laws, no Gender Recognition Certificate, can or should change that. I'd personally argue that it says more about the prison system, that the safety of prisoners can often not be guaranteed, be it from common or sexual assault, and that needs to be addressed -- but certainly, a person convicted of rape doesn't have any freedom to be in a position to rape again, or even have the opportunity to do so. It's a tragic case, but it's simply wrong to use this as a framing for discussing transgender people.
Secondly... yes. Trans people exist. A trans woman is a transgender person who identifies as a woman. A trans man is a transgender person who identifies as a man. It's not a question of surgery, or chromosomes, or anything else biological; of course, these things strongly correlate with how a person sees themselves and how they are seen by others, but they are not necessarily the same. Indeed, this insistence on interacting with people only on things you can't know, but only assume, seems so reductive. Why does it matter whether a person is XX, or XY, when you never tested this? Why does it matter what's inside a person's underwear when you'll never get to see it? This is what gender is about. It's your prerogative, I suppose, to care exclusively about a person's chromosomal make-up, but it's not an objective rule that must be obeyed.
As a matter of fact, too, I've spent a lot of time interacting with cis women, and I never encountered a problem yet. They've all seemed eager to welcome me to the sisterhood, be it as shop assistants eagerly helping me to pick out the best clothes and make-up, or all my women friends being instantly accepting, or welcoming me into women's spaces, etc etc.... I honestly find that it's the *men* in my life who have the biggest hang-ups. Well, that and people on this site. I can certainly see why if someone barged in to a women-only space, asserted that they were a woman, and brooked no dissent or discomfort at all from those around them, then there'd be an issue. But your problem there is because such a person is a disrespectful a-hole, not because of their gender identity per se. Women aren't under threat because sometimes they share spaces with trans women.
It's not an age thing either: I was at a concert recently, where apart from me I'd guess that the average age was in the mid- to high 60s. Either nobody knew I was trans, or more likely, nobody cared. Total strangers were friendly, we conversed about the concert, instruments we'd played as children, and one kind soul offered me and my friend a lift (it was very cold!). Mutual respect goes a long way.
I suspect part of this is because of the sad fact that, for most people, all they see when it comes to transgender people is stories like this one: someone convicted of rape, in all likelihood lying through their teeth in the (thankfully vain) hope of exploiting the system, making a mockery of trans people. But we just want to play an equal part in society, and be respected. That's all. It isn't too much to ask. Just be respectful.
Finally, on a minor point, I did glance at New Judge's explanation for parsecs -- maybe it's not perfect, but I honestly don't understand why ZebuSanctuary has been going on about it to such an extent.
/ClareTGold/
Let me be the second ABer to welcome you on this board!
May I say also what a brave post!
I am very much a live and let live type of person.
I am sorry that you have had to endure some of the remarks made by OPs, as you have picked your way through the thread.
Even my thick skin has been burned by some of the comments which can only be described as anti-transgender.
I sincerely hope you have not been scarred by what you have read!
/I did glance at New Judge's explanation for parsecs/
Do you mind providing a link to the parsec. I cannot find it anywhere.
Hopefully we will exchange posts again in a more friendlier environment. Take care :-)
Let me be the second ABer to welcome you on this board!
May I say also what a brave post!
I am very much a live and let live type of person.
I am sorry that you have had to endure some of the remarks made by OPs, as you have picked your way through the thread.
Even my thick skin has been burned by some of the comments which can only be described as anti-transgender.
I sincerely hope you have not been scarred by what you have read!
/I did glance at New Judge's explanation for parsecs/
Do you mind providing a link to the parsec. I cannot find it anywhere.
Hopefully we will exchange posts again in a more friendlier environment. Take care :-)
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