Thatcher

[ynnafymmi]

It is now 10 years since Thatcher died.She was enabled into power by the SNP back in 1979.I wonder if any of the SNPers on here now regret their choice?

[10ClarionSt]

Frank Doberman @ 10.23:

"Did you not remember the true awfulness of the late 70s?"

I certainly do! What I remember about the late 70's is the Tories winning the GE in 1979, then making a complete town halls of the economy. Unemployment went higher than under Labour; inflation was rife and at the start of 1982, the Tories were massively behind Labour in the polls due the incompetence of The Great Lunatic, Thatcher.

Then, over the hill, comes riding an even bigger lunatic, if that's possible, by the name of Galtieri. This prompted the first lunatic to take on the second lunatic because of some forsaken rocks in the South Atlantic, resulting in the unnecessary deaths of British servicemen. Then, for some reason, the British people saw this as some kind of salvation and completely forgot the total incompetence of the previous 3 years of Tories mis-management. From there on in, Dennis Thatchers' friends made a generous killing by their acquisitions in the decimation of British industry, and hardship was imposed on many people, much to the delight of members of the disgustingly vile Bullingdon Club and I'm guessing, the Frank Dobermans of this world, who in my opinion must have also gained financially from the actions of Thatcher, The Great Lunatic and traitor.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs: "I certainly do! What I remember about the late 70's is the Tories winning the GE in 1979, then making a complete town halls of the economy. Unemployment went higher than under Labour;" - yes the because it was virtually impossible to fire someone under the union laws, hence everywhere was overmanned, they were not real jobs"
"inflation was rife and at the start of 1982, the Tories were massively behind Labour in the polls due the incompetence of The Great Lunatic, Thatcher." - yes inflation did increase initially the patient was very sick the medicine was harsh but the patient needed it. Did you think TGL could unravel decades of hard line socialism and union dogma in 5 minutes?

"Then, over the hill, comes riding an even bigger lunatic, if that's possible, by the name of Galtieri. This prompted the first lunatic to take on the second lunatic because of some forsaken rocks in the South Atlantic, resulting in the unnecessary deaths of British servicemen." - ah like all lefties you want to sacrifice our own people because of Geography, please confirm that YOU think we should not have recaptured the Falklands.
" Then, for some reason, the British people saw this as some kind of salvation" - Perhaps you are in the minority here all she did was what I hope any leader would do when British sovereign territory is invaded. Yet I suppose it is the hard left position to appease aggressors.
"From there on in, Dennis Thatchers' friends made a generous killing by their acquisitions in the decimation of British industry, and hardship was imposed on many people"
The hardship was created by decades of out of control unions and hard line socialism, essentially preparing us for descent into a Soviet union outpost. TGL started the process to un pick that, yes the medicine was harsh but the patient surely needed it
" The Great Lunatic and traitor." - such is your vitriol, try to look harder at what she was given to start with and yes reread what Forsyth wrote. Let the scales fall from your eyes. Maybe you will see how much of the sheer awfulness needed harsh measures. TGL dragged this nation from the sick man of Europe to bringing down the Berlin wall. Freeing millions from communism, maybe that is your real beef with her.

[douglas9401]

Deah, deah Freddie. Wheeled out when pomposity alone is not enough.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs, perhaps you'd like to have a go at this thread....
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/History/Question1833747.html

[ynnafymmi]

@10.00.All enabled and sanctioned by the SNP,10CS.

[10ClarionSt]

The scales aren't on my eyes, TTT. They must be on yours. Thatcher had nothing to do with the fall of the Berlin wall. That was mainly due to Ronald Reagan.

Despite all the knowledgeable comments re the Falklands, I still think it was a waste of British servicemens' lives and totally unnecessary. The only thing that the govt gained from the Falklands action was to get itself re-elected. I fail to see why so much effort went into it.

But I just love this website! I'm lovin' it! :o)

[CoolBritannia]

"Despite all the knowledgeable comments re the Falklands, I still think it was a waste of British servicemens' lives and totally unnecessary."

But, do you think the UK should have just let the people of the Falklands fall to the control of the then vile regime of the Argentina Gov, who invaded British sovereign Terorrity by force?

[CoolBritannia]

Argentina stood no chance against Great Britain Under Ms M Thatcher, even though all the odd's were stacked against GB. (and Argentina still doesn't stand a chance for many reasons).What she done was totally right, and fully supported by the then armed UK forces, who knew the risk.

[davebro]

No point maintaining armed forces if you aren't going to use them to combat blatant aggression. It's what they are for!

[CoolBritannia]

"No point maintaining armed forces if you aren't going to use them to combat blatant aggression. It's what they are for!"

And Great Britain will, as the very very violent RUF and West Side Boys in Sierra Leone, found out!

[New Judge]

//@10.00.All enabled and sanctioned by the SNP,10CS.//

Your argument that the SNP enabled Mrs Thatcher into power has been comprehensively demolished in other threads. During the entire period of the Thatcher government they held no more than 2 seats in Parliament whilst the Conservatives held a comfortable overall majority. So how did the SNP enable all the action that 10CS refers to? Is this another fantasy you are going to repeat frequently in the hope people believe it is true?

//Despite all the knowledgeable comments re the Falklands, I still think it was a waste of British servicemens' lives and totally unnecessary.//

Help us out here, 10CS. What do you think should have been done instead?

[Deskdiary]

^^^I think it's clear what he felt we should have done.

Nothing - and allowed Argentina take over the islands.

[CoolBritannia]

Appeasement works?

[ynnafymmi]

@08.45.Im not wanting a great rigmarole NJ.I just want an answer to the question"Did the SNP vote alongside Thatcher or did they vote alongside Callaghan in the 1979 no-confidence vote?".It isnt rocket science.

[New Judge]

You've been given the answer to that question many times. Yes they did vote with the opposition. But it is the assumptions you have made from that answer which need to be questioned because, plainly and simply, they are wrong.

[ynnafymmi]

So they voted with Thatcher.Thank you.

[ToraToraTora]

coolbritannia: 07:59, people like 10cs love to denigrate our efforts but they never answer key questions like that.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs: "The only thing that the govt gained from the Falklands action was to get itself re-elected. I fail to see why so much effort went into it." - ah thus we see the bitterness. You don't consider freeing the invaded from a despot a "gain" or if you do you are prepared to sacrifice them so TGL has less chance of winning the 1983 election. Right oh!

[CoolBritannia]

"coolbritannia: 07:59, people like 10cs love to denigrate our efforts but they never answer key questions like that."

Certainly would be interested to hear what they believe other options were available.

[New Judge]

//@08.45.Im not wanting a great rigmarole NJ.I just want an answer to the question"Did the SNP vote alongside Thatcher or did they vote alongside Callaghan in the 1979 no-confidence vote?".It isnt rocket science.// (You @09:08)

//You've been given the answer to that question many times. Yes they did vote with the opposition.// (Me @ 09:21)

//So they voted with Thatcher.Thank you.// (You @ 09:26)

I know you don’t like a rigmarole, but I urge you to read the following transcript of the exchanges on this matter over the past five days. Take particular note of the passages I have marked with “QQQ” (which denote your question) and those I have marked “AAA” (an answer to that question). They began last Saturday, when part of your OP stated this:

//She [Mrs Thatcher] was enabled into power by the SNP back in 1979.//

8th April:

//As well as 11 SNP Mps, 13 Liberals also voted in favour of no confidence, //(JimF @ 17:56)

QQQ//@17.56.So did the SNP vote with Thatcher or did they vote with Jim Callaghan,Jim?// (You @ 18:00)

AAA//Jesus Christ, they voted against the government. Seriously, what is actually wrong with you?// (JimF @ 18:01)

QQQ//@18.22.So did the SNP vote alongside Thatcher or did they vote alongside the socialist government of Jim Callaghan,TCL?// (You @ 18:28)

QQQ//I dont know if Jim F is still on here or not,but i asked him who the SNP voted for in the no-confidence vote back in 1979.I said the SNP voted for and enabled Thatcher.He seems to disagree.// (You @18:42)

AAA//They did vote in favour of the [No Confidence] motion.// (Me @ 18:49)

QQQ//So did the SNP vote alongside Thatcher or did they vote alongside the socialist government of Jim Callaghan,TCL?// (You @18:59)

AAA//Yes of course they did [Vote against the government] ynna,// (Tora @19:02)

AAA//The SNP voted with the Tories as did MPs from other parties.// (TCL @ 19:08)

QQQ//Neither TCL or JimF have answered my question-"Did the SNP vote alongside Thatcher(thereby enabling her into power)or did the SNP vote alongside Jim Callaghans socialist government back in 1979?"// (You @19:12)

AAA//For the final time, the SNP and the Liberals and several members of other parties voted against the Labour government. If you prefer to think of that as voting with the tories, then go right ahead.// (JimF @ 19:13)

QQQ//@19.13.You have never answered my question Jim.Did the SNP vote with Thatcher or did they vote with Jim Callaghans socialist party?// (You @19:20)

QQQ//Hi,TCL,seeing that Jim F is ignoring my questions,perhaps you can answer them."on the 1979 no-confidence vote on Jim Callaghans government,did the SNP vote alongside Thatcher and her fascist reactionaries or did they align themselves with the socialism of Callaghans government"?// (You @19:30)

AAA//I answered your previous question and agreed that the SNP voted with the Tories against the Labour government.// (TCL @ 19:36)

AAA//You keep on asking a question to which the answer is a matter of public record (and you have already been given the same answer at least twice on here).// (Me @20:10)

9th April

QQQ//I just pointed out that the SNP voted alongside the Tories in the 1979 no-confidence vote.Are you disputing that fact or am i just fantasizing that fact?// (You @06:56)

AAA//I’m not disputing that fact at all. It is a matter of public record and I have confirmed you are correct.// (Me @17:33)

QQQ//Looks like you are saying that the SNP MPs didnt vote alongside Thatcher in the no-confidence vote in 1979,NJ?// (You @ 17:40)

AAA//So, to be absolutely clear: the SNP did vote alongside the Opposition (the Tories, The LibDems and the DUP) in the vote of No Confidence.// (Me @23:09)

[To be Continued]