Grand National

[ynnafymmi]

The hooray-henry scum of the earth disrupting the Peoples Race.Should the mumsies and popsies of these aerosols demand their little poppets get a life or get a real job?

[davebro]

//That's alright then, give them a life of hell and watch them die on the racecourse, but hey they've had a 'life' haven't they???//

Not just the few horses that sadly die while racing but also the 99%+ that don't!

[Togo]

//That's alright then, give them a life of hell //

A life of hell? Make an appointment with your therapist. Your perceptions are a little askew.

[MissTerious2]

Ken, just to confirm. I skimmed through the OP which was about disruption and some rubbish about hooray henry scum and their parents and it being the peoples race. Made my first comment, skimming through until i agreed with Chris'comment and made about four more comments in conversation before i read your comment. Hardly numerous! I still feel the comment was about the protesters, not the race. I really didn't notice the first answer. Why pick on me! My comments were genuinely how i feel and not nasty. There were others who were far more vocal about it. No i didnt answer the question because it was biased, but I have now.

[Ken4155]

MissT, less of the persecution complex:-) I didn't pick on you. I made a comment to which you replied, addressing me by name, so i returned the favour.
If i upset you by doing so, i sincerely apologise. It's just that every year we have this debate but it's always on the back of someone else's thread.
It would be great if, just for once, someone would open a thread on the subject of whether horseracing should be banned or not. And why wait until the Grand National - jump racing takes place throughout the year?

[MissTerious2]

You didnt upset me Ken. I dont get upset very often! no need to apologise.

Just an idea. Start a thread like you mentioned and you might get better answers. I wouldn't be mentioning food at all and i dont mind horse racing as long as its not pushing the horses beyond their natural behaviour. Ill say no more about the money side of things. We live very hear the edge of a fairly well known race course in Norfolk. We can hear Perhaps you have even visited or stayed on the adjacent caravan and camp sitexx

[MissTerious2]

We can hear all the commentary on race days!

[Ellipsis]

BBC News - Grand National 2023: Trainer blames delays caused by protesters for horse death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/65296693

Interesting perspective ...

[MissTerious2]

I must admit to tsking the side of the activists on this. The trainer seems to be making up excuses. As for horses using the parade as thinking time in preparation for the race.........

"One of the other things missing was the parade. I think that gives the horses and the jockeys that couple of minutes to gather their thoughts and that didn't help the situation either."

[Ellipsis]

We'll never know if that racehorse had died if the protest hadn't happened, but it couldn't have helped ...

[andy-hughes]

This is another polarising subject, and comes up the week after The National, every year.

Clearly comparisons with cock-fighting and bull-fighting are not valid.

The purpose of a horse race is for horses to race to win, and death by accident is an unfortunate and unintended consequence.

With both bull-fighting and cock-fighting, the purpose is for one or more animals or birds to die, that is absolutely the outcome intended and created, it is entirely deliberate, and therefore bears no relation to horse raceing.

[Ken4155]

As people on the opposite side of the fence, MissT, let's keep it cordial and agree to disagree:-)

Wish i lived next door to a course. There was an AW track going to be built on the outskirts of Burnley (in Simonstone) but the financial crash put paid to that. I could've walked there in a half hour - maybe a little longer, nowadays.

[Barsel]

Try looking at it another way Andy.
The racehorses are not there to die , but they do.
It doesn't matter how they die, if they take part, there's a chance one or more horses can die.

[Atheist]

Missterious. Do you write short stories? You should! :-)

[Atheist]

Miss... I was referring to your 18:32 Sunday.

[sandyRoe]

Do horses gather their thoughts before starting a race?
Who'd have thought that.
And those that die, well they were doing what they loved, right?

[andy-hughes]

Barsel - // Try looking at it another way Andy.
The racehorses are not there to die , but they do.
It doesn't matter how they die, if they take part, there's a chance one or more horses can die. //

That isn't looking at it another way, it simply reaffirms my point.

There is a chance that one or more horses may die in a race, but in a cock or bull fight, it's not a chance, it's a certainty, because that's the whole idea in the first place.

Those deaths are the object of the exercise, in the case of horse deaths, they are an unfortunate consequence, sometimes.

[youngmafbog]

// in the case of horse deaths, they are an unfortunate consequence, //

My,my and I thought I was a callous git.

I am on the side of the protestors on this, but I dont agree with the action they like to use.

[jno]

andy, bulls don't have to die after a bullfight; they generally don't in Portugal. It's the choice of humans to kill them after they've finished tormenting them.

[davebro]

There's as much chance of bringing back capital punishment as there is of stopping horse racing.

[Barsel]

I'm leaving this thread now as we are never going to agree, so I will just say I don't agree with ANY animal being used for sport. That's it.
Actually, I don't agree with things like boxing either.
I really don't get why animals and people can be harmed or even die just for the sake of sport.