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Raab Has Resigned
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Raab's resignation is not helping the Tory Party at all with local elections and a GE looming.
Since the flag waving and cheering days when Boris came to power with a huge majority way back in 2019 The Tories thought they could conquer the world.
Three years on they are now The Abysmal Party running out of PM'S , Chancellors, Highest govt borrowing in history, a ruined NHS Service, poor police service and so it goes on and on, with too many mistakes to mention The only thing that they have accomplished is trousering tax payers money for themselves.
Since the flag waving and cheering days when Boris came to power with a huge majority way back in 2019 The Tories thought they could conquer the world.
Three years on they are now The Abysmal Party running out of PM'S , Chancellors, Highest govt borrowing in history, a ruined NHS Service, poor police service and so it goes on and on, with too many mistakes to mention The only thing that they have accomplished is trousering tax payers money for themselves.
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"Dr Challoner’s is one of the leading grammar schools in the country. You don’t get to go there, or remain there, if you are not very bright. Nobody who is not very bright will be offered a law course at Oxford or a post-graduate position at Cambridge."
what a load of rubbish new judge. it is quite possible for a person to attain all of these things and not be very bright...
the idea that nobody who comes from a top grammar school can possibly be stupid is so wrong that it's actually quite funny :)
what a load of rubbish new judge. it is quite possible for a person to attain all of these things and not be very bright...
the idea that nobody who comes from a top grammar school can possibly be stupid is so wrong that it's actually quite funny :)
Today's i newspaper headlines with Raab refusing to resign, because he has not been found at fault.
By this morning he had 'resigned', no doubt a la 'Thick of It' -
Raab: "I'm not resigning."
Sunak: "You've already resigned, here's your resignation letter."
Raab: "I won't sign it."
Sunak: "It's already been released." (Turns on telly and there's Chris Mason making the announcement)
Raab: *@!@@!* scribbles on letter and slams door on way out.
By this morning he had 'resigned', no doubt a la 'Thick of It' -
Raab: "I'm not resigning."
Sunak: "You've already resigned, here's your resignation letter."
Raab: "I won't sign it."
Sunak: "It's already been released." (Turns on telly and there's Chris Mason making the announcement)
Raab: *@!@@!* scribbles on letter and slams door on way out.
//the idea that nobody who comes from a top grammar school can possibly be stupid is so wrong that it's actually quite funny :)//
Yes it might be if that’s what I said in isolation. But I didn’t. You can re-read the entire passage again if you care to since I’ve no intention of repeating it.
//…it is quite possible for a person to attain all of these things and not be very bright...//
Perhaps you could provide me with some recent examples of people who took ‘A’ Levels at a good grammar school, graduated from Oxford, did post-graduate studies at Cambridge and was taken on by one of the UK’s top five law firms to complete their legal training. If you can come up with one or two, demonstrating why you consider they are not particularly bright, I’m all ears. Or perhaps instead give me your definition of “bright” as there is a good chance it is different to mine.
//…alienating all your staff to the extent that they refuse to work for you by demeaning them and throwing tomatoes at them//
I didn’t notice any mention in Mr Tolley’s report of Mr Raab alienating all his staff so they would not work for him and I didn’t notice any mention of tomatoes being thrown. Neither the word “alienate”, "demeaning" nor “tomatoes” appears in his report at all.
Well I’ve now read the entire report (thanks for providing it, TCL).
To me what stands out remarkably is what Mr Tolley, KC, didn’t find rather than what he did. There is no substantiation of any bullying. Many of the accusations were not found as fact. The report, in its conclusions, summarised 15 specific complaints which were examined. In only two of those was there a substantial finding of inappropriate behaviour. There was disputed evidence, but none was tested to a conclusion by way of cross-examination. On a general note, this stands out:
“The DPM’s style is, in his own words, inquisitorial, direct, impatient and fastidious.”
“By his own account, the DPM is demanding, driven and focused on detail. He works long hours. He can be impatient and will become frustrated when others do not deliver what he requires, either in substance or form, or he perceives that others are obstructing his efforts. Such frustration is likely to have been expressed by the DPM on occasion, particularly in the high-pressure and tense working environment involved.”
The entire report gives me the impression that Mr Raab is a demanding Minister and makes his displeasure known on occasions. In short, staff in his office found themselves in a very similar situation to that which of thousands of workers up and down the country do regularly. I’ve worked under such people and you get to know their style and adapt. Go to the pub after work, have a pint with your mates, tomorrow’s another day. And the day after that will probably see the arrival of a new boss. It’s called the Real World.
I accept that Civil Servants are sometimes in a difficult position when they are chastised by their Minister, who is not technically their manager but who nonetheless wields considerable power and influence. But it goes with the job. I'm sure if life is so tough there are plenty of other opportunities for them elsewhere.
Yes it might be if that’s what I said in isolation. But I didn’t. You can re-read the entire passage again if you care to since I’ve no intention of repeating it.
//…it is quite possible for a person to attain all of these things and not be very bright...//
Perhaps you could provide me with some recent examples of people who took ‘A’ Levels at a good grammar school, graduated from Oxford, did post-graduate studies at Cambridge and was taken on by one of the UK’s top five law firms to complete their legal training. If you can come up with one or two, demonstrating why you consider they are not particularly bright, I’m all ears. Or perhaps instead give me your definition of “bright” as there is a good chance it is different to mine.
//…alienating all your staff to the extent that they refuse to work for you by demeaning them and throwing tomatoes at them//
I didn’t notice any mention in Mr Tolley’s report of Mr Raab alienating all his staff so they would not work for him and I didn’t notice any mention of tomatoes being thrown. Neither the word “alienate”, "demeaning" nor “tomatoes” appears in his report at all.
Well I’ve now read the entire report (thanks for providing it, TCL).
To me what stands out remarkably is what Mr Tolley, KC, didn’t find rather than what he did. There is no substantiation of any bullying. Many of the accusations were not found as fact. The report, in its conclusions, summarised 15 specific complaints which were examined. In only two of those was there a substantial finding of inappropriate behaviour. There was disputed evidence, but none was tested to a conclusion by way of cross-examination. On a general note, this stands out:
“The DPM’s style is, in his own words, inquisitorial, direct, impatient and fastidious.”
“By his own account, the DPM is demanding, driven and focused on detail. He works long hours. He can be impatient and will become frustrated when others do not deliver what he requires, either in substance or form, or he perceives that others are obstructing his efforts. Such frustration is likely to have been expressed by the DPM on occasion, particularly in the high-pressure and tense working environment involved.”
The entire report gives me the impression that Mr Raab is a demanding Minister and makes his displeasure known on occasions. In short, staff in his office found themselves in a very similar situation to that which of thousands of workers up and down the country do regularly. I’ve worked under such people and you get to know their style and adapt. Go to the pub after work, have a pint with your mates, tomorrow’s another day. And the day after that will probably see the arrival of a new boss. It’s called the Real World.
I accept that Civil Servants are sometimes in a difficult position when they are chastised by their Minister, who is not technically their manager but who nonetheless wields considerable power and influence. But it goes with the job. I'm sure if life is so tough there are plenty of other opportunities for them elsewhere.
//It's instructive that, in the whole report, what stands out is not the report content, but what Raab said about himself ...//
No it's not. Mr Raab is given very little "air time" in the report at all. He was given the opportunity to make representations only after Mr Tolley had gathered all of his "evidence." The passages I quoted are from those representations. They don't particularly help his case if he is seeking to be portrayed as a caring and loveable Minister so I don't see what objection there could be to them.
Mr Tolley invited evidence not only from those who has allegedly been directly affected by Mr Raab's behaviour and who were the originators of the complaints, but also contributions from people who "wished to express views or recollections which were not based on direct experience." I actually find this somewhat disturbing, especially from a KC. I accept it was not a court of law but some basic principles need to be maintained.
No it's not. Mr Raab is given very little "air time" in the report at all. He was given the opportunity to make representations only after Mr Tolley had gathered all of his "evidence." The passages I quoted are from those representations. They don't particularly help his case if he is seeking to be portrayed as a caring and loveable Minister so I don't see what objection there could be to them.
Mr Tolley invited evidence not only from those who has allegedly been directly affected by Mr Raab's behaviour and who were the originators of the complaints, but also contributions from people who "wished to express views or recollections which were not based on direct experience." I actually find this somewhat disturbing, especially from a KC. I accept it was not a court of law but some basic principles need to be maintained.
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