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Raab Has Resigned
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It is interesting to contrast what has happened to Raab and what happened after the independent report into Priti Patel’s bullying.
The Patel report concluded that she was guilty of bullying. The PM at the time, Boris Johnson rejected the report and kept the utterly useless Patel in post.
Sunak seems to have reluctantly accepted the report’s findings and Raab is toast.
The Patel report concluded that she was guilty of bullying. The PM at the time, Boris Johnson rejected the report and kept the utterly useless Patel in post.
Sunak seems to have reluctantly accepted the report’s findings and Raab is toast.
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Sp1814 re your question to me.
It seems obvious to me that is the subtext of the whole thing, simply from the recent news reports and the kind of language used both to attack and in defence of Raab.
Governments, and the recent Tory ones in particular, have a bee in their bonnet about civil servants frustrating their efforts to get things done in a hurry - dotting the Is crossing the Ts, following pesky rules and protocols etc etc.
Raab has clearly approached the job with the attitude that he was going to knock a few heads together and sort them out.
It has been characterised as bullying by those on the receiving end. I make no judgement, having never worked for Raab, or witnessed any of the incidents that led to his resignation.
It seems obvious to me that is the subtext of the whole thing, simply from the recent news reports and the kind of language used both to attack and in defence of Raab.
Governments, and the recent Tory ones in particular, have a bee in their bonnet about civil servants frustrating their efforts to get things done in a hurry - dotting the Is crossing the Ts, following pesky rules and protocols etc etc.
Raab has clearly approached the job with the attitude that he was going to knock a few heads together and sort them out.
It has been characterised as bullying by those on the receiving end. I make no judgement, having never worked for Raab, or witnessed any of the incidents that led to his resignation.
tomas
“Raab has clearly approached the job with the attitude that he was going to knock a few heads together and sort them out.”
I don’t think any of us can know this for sure. Perhaps he’s simply not a great people person. Perhaps he deliberately belittles, undermines and bullies rather than empowering, encouraging and mentoring?
“Raab has clearly approached the job with the attitude that he was going to knock a few heads together and sort them out.”
I don’t think any of us can know this for sure. Perhaps he’s simply not a great people person. Perhaps he deliberately belittles, undermines and bullies rather than empowering, encouraging and mentoring?
//Best thing the Cons can do here is sack Dom as an Mp...//
Not for the first time you show a lack of understanding. MPs cannot be sacked by their party. They can only have the whip withdrawn (see the Dianne Abbott threads). But they remain as MPs.
//....cause a By election which Labour will win//
Labour is most unlikely to win a by-election in Esher & Walton. The LibDems might but in the last General Election Labour polled just 4.5% of the votes cast and lost their deposit.
Not for the first time you show a lack of understanding. MPs cannot be sacked by their party. They can only have the whip withdrawn (see the Dianne Abbott threads). But they remain as MPs.
//....cause a By election which Labour will win//
Labour is most unlikely to win a by-election in Esher & Walton. The LibDems might but in the last General Election Labour polled just 4.5% of the votes cast and lost their deposit.
// I could not give a fig, if Dom is sacked or if the whip is withdrawn it all means the same .//
No it doesn't and I'm not being pedantic.
You said "Best thing the Cons can do here is sack Dom as an Mp cause a By election." They cannot sack him as an MP and they cannot therefore cause a by-election. Your forecast of who might win such an election is therefore irrelevant.
No it doesn't and I'm not being pedantic.
You said "Best thing the Cons can do here is sack Dom as an Mp cause a By election." They cannot sack him as an MP and they cannot therefore cause a by-election. Your forecast of who might win such an election is therefore irrelevant.
"Because the private sector, by and large, functions properly and the public sector, by and large, doesn't."
the words "by and large" are doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence!! consider the appalling waste and often poor management you find at corporations that are too large to fail and effectively insulated from market pressure... the private sector is no guarantee of effectiveness
and besides the public and private sector have fundamentally different purposes... the job of anyone who works in the private sector is ultimately to create value for whoever owns their business (including themselves)... that is not the job of someone who works in the public sector
the idea that public sector workers don't work in a "real" workplace is simply wrong
the words "by and large" are doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence!! consider the appalling waste and often poor management you find at corporations that are too large to fail and effectively insulated from market pressure... the private sector is no guarantee of effectiveness
and besides the public and private sector have fundamentally different purposes... the job of anyone who works in the private sector is ultimately to create value for whoever owns their business (including themselves)... that is not the job of someone who works in the public sector
the idea that public sector workers don't work in a "real" workplace is simply wrong
//Governments, and the recent Tory ones in particular, have a bee in their bonnet about civil servants frustrating their efforts to get things done in a hurry - dotting the Is crossing the Ts, following pesky rules and protocols etc etc. //
Civil servants are frustrating government efforts and it's not because they're so good at their jobs that they want all the correct procedures carried out. It's because they want to bring the government down.
Civil servants are frustrating government efforts and it's not because they're so good at their jobs that they want all the correct procedures carried out. It's because they want to bring the government down.
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